An employee is NOT a covered entity.  However, the act does have jail terms
for the most serious offenses.  It is very unlikely that an employee working
in good faith for a covered entity would face any enforcement action.
HOWEVER, I do think it important to recognize that there may be high-risks
to an organization from incompetence and shortsighted management, who in
turn may point the finger later on.

So I personally, would suggest thorough documentation.  When you are not
getting management support, document it and file it away.   Remember, you
may have to defend choices and decisions and interpretations in the defense
of your covered entity at some point.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Christiansen, John (SEA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:37 PM
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Subject: RE: "Compliance"


Could be either or both. Depends on the facts.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandt, Cynthia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:35 PM
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Subject: RE: "Compliance"


Just out of curiosity...

Do the penalties hit the employee or the employer?

-----Original Message-----
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I'm an attorney too. From my POV Cory is right to distinguish transactions
violations from information misuse/improper disclosure offenses - the former
are not grounds for criminal penalties, only civil, and those cap at
$25K/calendar year for each specific type of violation. Not pleasant,
perhaps, if you have many types of violation, but not prison. Though I would
also query whether it would be worth being in intentional violation even if
you can afford the civil penalties due to other possible consequences such
as harm to accreditation, program exclusion, etc. - depending on the kind of
entity you/your customers may be. And I would watch it with knowing
participation in any scheme which incorporates plans to violate federal
regulation - while it may be legitimate to identify and accept a certain
degree of risk due to financial or other legitimate constraints which make
compliance impossible, this has the whiff of conspiracy about it. Imperfect
but probably acceptable solution? Identify the issues and specify reasoning
formally and properly upon recommendations from qualified experts and legal
counsel. Document that at least you tried to figure out how to comply and
why you concluded you couldn't, and what you intend to do to get compliant.
It's better than getting caught red-handed without a defensive record.

As to privacy officer personal liability, keep in mind that for personal
liability for an organization's HIPAA crimes any officer, "privacy" or
otherwise, may be exposed if they have managerial authority over those who
commit the violation and failed to prevent it. Before accepting the
particular honor of being a privacy officer, it would be prudent to make
sure it comes with sufficient authority to act on discovered violations. In
the post-Enron world, I would also be concerned about being the officer
signing a HIPAA compliance certification such as that required by the
Security Rule - you might get nailed for perjury or worse. Of course, Enron
and Oxley-Sarbanes also suggest that board members, senior executives and
auditors also best be sure they aren't missing or glossing over important
regulatory failures in reports to stakeholders.

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Cory:  I am an attorney and I've asked our attorney general for an opinion
as to whether Privacy Officers under HIPAA have personal liability.  We've
not yet received an opinion.

I agree with Tim's comments:  "Cory, I suggest that you consult with an
attorney."

Moya T. D. Gray, Director
Office of Information Practices
State of Hawaii
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250 South Hotel Street, Suite 107
Honolulu, Hawaii  96813

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Fax:  808-586-1412
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                    AM                    Subject:     RE: "Compliance"

                    Please respond

                    to

                    timmcguinness









Cory, I am not an attorney.  Having said that.  Are you Aware, that you
just
publicly stated that you have fore knowledge to multiple violations of
Federal Law?

I would encourage all to remember that this is not a local IT user group
bashing Microsoft.  That we are dealing with Federal Law!!  Any attorneys
out there wish to add their two cents in?

Unintentional disclosures have potential consequences.  (anybody read the
Privacy Rule?)

Cory, I suggest that you consult with an attorney.

Tim McGuinness, Ph.D.
President,
HIPAA Help Now Inc.
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www.hipaahelpnow.com <http://www.hipaahelpnow.com/>

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www.hipaacertification.org <http://www.hipaacertification.org>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dekker, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
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Subject: "Compliance"


I'd like to move this to a new thread (since I think the old one is REALLY
dead).

Christopher makes an assertion that I'd like to see if we can actually get
a
meaningful discussion going around.

I have been involved in interviews with my organization's trading partners,
and I've been the one working most directly on defining our companion
document specifications.  In my research thus far, I have found
Christopher's assertion, that no one will intentionally violate the law, to
be untrue.  At least for now, "some" CH's and payers ARE planning to
intentionally violate some small/minor/finer points of the HIPAA IG's, as
best fits their business needs.

I will be honest enough to say that my own organization is currently
"considering" this [insert massive disclaimer about my inability to speak
for GWL in any capacity].

Clearly, it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to come out on this
ListServ and say "we plan to break the law", and I would NEVER expect
anyone
associated with WEDI to encourage such.  However, without naming any names,
I KNOW that more than one of my TP's fully plans to, and I'm not just
talking about the bare minimum stuff just to make it work.

Depending on how you split hairs, true "compliance" is impossible.  For
example, the 2 837[PDI]/2010[AB]A/REF segments are IMPOSSIBLE to comply
with, given the current wording of the IG's and the legal "LU" value in
both
REF's.  This is NOT fixed in the Addenda, so true compliance will STILL
(technically) be IMPOSSIBLE even after they are finalized.  You have to
disallow "LU" as valid in the 2nd REF; but wait... that would mean
intentionally violating the IG, both current, and Addenda.

Maybe I'm in Wonderland thinking that we might actually have an honest
discussion about this, but given that it significantly impacts our
potential
recommendations to the industry on Testing, Routing, and general
"Compliance" efforts, is it at least worth asking about?

                                                    -Cory


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher J. Feahr, OD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Certifications

" ... it's more that I doubt any CH or payor would have the nerve to
intentionally violate a federal law like that... and no responsible
organization like WEDI is going to recommend it.  I suspect that payors and
CHs are planning to start out a year from now, programmed to reject ALL
non-conforming claims, based on their own validator logic.  That's really
the aspect of healthcare-EDI that transforms what might be a minor flaw we
could choose to live with in some industries, into a big deal...
potentially triggering massive rejection of what would otherwise be
"payable" claims.

"What I'm worried about, however, is the receiving system (built on
translator/validator A)  rejecting lots of messages from a system built
around T/V Vendor B's engine... despite the fact that Engine B's validator
is saying they are all fine."



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