Hi Philip

For over 2 years Thomas Holm [of Pixl Aps] and I have been working with
the Pro-File committee [part of AoP] on a Standard for the exchange of
digital files. Part of this is intended to enable photographers to
reliably <<proof>> their work in house on a low cost, but accurately
profiled, and periodically verified printer.

We prefer to call what they'd produce on a <Digital verification print>
since the term proof often attracts the prefix contract and a contract
proof is best left to the repro house.

Your offering of a proofing service would be useful to some I'm sure,
but since industry proofers are reputed to be set particular to each
and every press / repro house, then I'm not sure how well your proofs
would match those done at a clients' repro house further down the line.

Are your proofs analogue [like traditional Cromalins] - ie made from
films? Or are they digital proofs, Cromalins / Sherpa / Approval or
whatever?

For a photographer the big question is - how can I simulate accurately
[onscreen and on a low cost printer] the final press appearance of my
image. Given that ability the photographer can accurately optimise his
colour and tone for that particular destination, retaining the
important elements of his work - a judgement it's difficult for anyone
else to make. 

Making a proof is useful, of course, but given that a few rounds of
editing may be needed to attain the printed appearance a photographer
desires, an off-site proofing service becomes less attractive because
of the time involved.

If you'd like to proof our A4 testimage [I can give you a download site]
then I'd be really pleased to see the result.


On 13/12/02 at , philip sheppard wrote:


> Hello everyone.  My name is Philip Sheppard.  I am a recent graduate now 
> working for an ad agency in the north.  My job is to research the market for 
> our Repro department and I wanted some views on our ideas...
> 
> We have an excellent Repro department with the best resources and highly 
> experienced workers.  It is, however, underused and we are looking for ways 
> to utilise this.  One idea is to offer a fast proofing service to digital 
> photographers.  Through our experience photographers find that the end 
> product is often different from what they expected, because the image in a 
> digital camera is just an idea of what will appear. 

In a properly profiled workflow, that's not really correct. For any
image processed digitally, whether capture or scan, a Colour Managed
workflow is imperative because it allows a true view of image file
content.

Of course knowing something about the print destination is useful too,
since colour and tonal range is quite limited in some reproduction
scenarios. As I explained above, photographers really need this
capability in house so that they can fulfill multiple rounds of
adjustment in good time. Never a lot of time avaialable these days is
there?

> Different colours/tones then appear on the final photo.  This can
> cause problems with the customers and the photographer then has to
> reshoot days or weeks later.

yes, it does happen
> 
> Our service hopes to eradicate this.  Local photographers can email
> the images to us, then we can can get the proofs back ASAP.

for local photographers it sounds very useful, as long as you can
simulate the final proof accurately.
> 
> Would this service be useful to professional photographers such as
> yourselves?  Please can you give me your general opinions, then I
> might send some more specific questions at a later date.

It's a good initiative Philip. I hope it works out for you, as you
suggest it's a shame your repro dep't is underused.

Regards

NeilB

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