David I've looked at your comments and I have to agree my mail to Giles seems a bit <<tub thumping>>. When you're read the rest of this mail I hope you'll appreciate, though, that it's the concept of profiling <tub> I'm thumping rather than trying to sell myself.
Am I right in thinking you joined the list back in December 2002? Just getting my perspective right. On Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 9:05 am, David Whyte, david-at-davidwhyte.co.uk, wrote: > On January 22 Neil Barstow wrote in response to: > On Monday, January 21, 2002 at 7:07 pm, > Giles Stokoe, > > Dear Neil, > Your response was interesting, informative, etc, until you got to this; > > "There are many very happy pixl profile users on this list. I hope > they'll pipe up to tell you it's worth it." Isn't that useful? for him to know that our profiles [specifically] have helped other users get to grips with their printers?? Especially since we made the profile he was having trouble with, hence my reference to those for whom profiles do work. So far it seems that only Thomas and I have been willing to try help Giles appreciate what he needs to do. At the outset it's tough to know what is needed and why. I went through all this myself, it can be a nightmare.. I'd also ask you also to appreciate that profiles are not all the same, unfortunately some are , for whatever reason, inaccurate, if he does ahead it'd be nice for him to not waste his money. Disappointment with profiles rubs off on others and when that happens it's a shame as the concept of colourmanagement is devalued. I've went into a company once where they'd paid 750 pounds 3 times to get a machine set up right. It was still way off. As the owner said <how many times do I have to pay 750 pounds to get this machine profiled before it's right?>. He had almost given up. Now he's a convert (we charged him 150.00). We also offer an instrumented verification of the profiled printer, as part of the service. The technology to print special patches - post profile- and then evaluate performance is something only we offer AFAIK. Since you've only recently joined I guess you'll not be aware that, for a few years, Thomas at pixl Aps. and I have given a lot of time to the Prodig list, mostly to help the users get used to colourmanagement concepts. After doing this a while, and being asked to help listmembers out personally, I decided to make a business of it. It seems practical for me to spend about 40 hours a week on research and for others to have access to this information - it avoids duplication of the research and allows photographers to get on with photography. Both Thomas and I believe that a wider acceptance of good quaity profiled workflows will make every photographer's life much easier. Designers and clients too. Perhaps that's one reason why we were commissioned by the AOP DIG committeee to work as technology advisers and service providers for the upcoming Pro-File scheme. And why I'm already speaking at Nescot, AOP, BIPP and CoWC this Spring. I'm pushing the concept of accurate profiling, indirectly that pushes my services, I'm sorry if it appears blatant, but at least I'm completely open about it. I admit that I am happy and willing to do the work. We've had a lot of thanks for the list time we put in and the wider acceptance of colour management makes it feel very worthwhile. We are both evangelical about colormanagement [and the associated gains for image integrity] and will encourage users at every opportunity. >From the mail I've received it seems we're both probably welcome contributors to the list? perhaps you don't agree? It works like this - we have a remote profiling service [Thomas does the remote profiles], I also make profiles here for my own clients. I handle payment for Thomas. Most people know this. We've had some amazing feedback. > > followed by this; > > http://www.neilbarstow.com/ink_paper.html > http://www.neilbarstow.com/ink_lyson.html> These articles [and the others, and the printertesting manual offered there] were written to prevent needing to rewrite the information repeatedly in answer to the same questions popping up preiodically [and it took a while]. Most people apparently find my website informative and not at all heavy sell. Of course, I have to make a living from this work. And I have a lot of happy prodig listee clients. > > followed by this; > > - - - - Consulting in Imaging & Colour Management - - - - etc. OK, so that's a signature telling anyone who wants to know a little about me. I think it's been the pretty much the same for almost 2 years. > Notwithstanding that all the above could be considered a contribution > to an ongoing discussion it also has more than a faint whiff of heavy > handed promo. difficult to say I can help without saying <I can help>?? > Combined with other mailings in recent days that were OT and banging > the N. Barstow gong loudly are we getting near the point of OT? I haven't had any notes from the listmom about OT posts? If others are appreciative of my work then I'm really pleased to know that. > > "........posting pushy or you beat the drum too frequently........." > (prodig guidlines) I try not to be pushy, but perhaps my enthusiasm runs away with me occasionally? Point taken, I'll try be more careful. > > The listmum/owners make a song and dance about email addresses being > included but are letting this slip by, apparently. there were no email addresses in my post as it appeared on the list. to what are you referring? 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