=> Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
=> 
=> I'm not going to ask you to embrace my opinion, so you are 
=> safe there.
=> What does irritate me is that everybody wants a scape goat.
=> You and everybody else who votes, including me are 
=> responsible for the current state of affairs, not the 
=> president or anybody else, because they are doing what we 
=> want them to or what they think that we want from them.

Don't you think that's a bit simple?  First of all, it is not just the voters.  
The people who do not vote are just as culpable, perhaps moreso.  But once a 
politician is elected, there is no direct control over what he does.  There are 
no interim elections, no votes of confidence.  So the fellow has a bit of 
leeway.  Remember, we do not live in a democracy, we live in a republic.
  
=> If we don't like the way they are running things, we vote 
=> them out, pure and simple.
=> Because of the fact that we havent voted them out, that 
=> makes me believe that they are doing what we want them too.

I did not vote for Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Roberts, Bolton, etc.  Not because I 
did not want to but because I could not.  They are all appointed.  And the 
natural thing for them to do is follow the person who appointed them, not the 
electorate.

=> Now as to human rights, you have a muslim extremist incharge 
=> of iran who deny's that a holcaust happened.
=> You have muslim extremists in afghanistan who are willing 
=> and want to chop your head off if you don't grow a beard.
=> There are many others who have publicly gone on tv and said 
=> that they will destroy us and our way of life.

So these people have no human rights.  Which is what I said.  And you said that 
unless we do what we are doing in Iraq, these people will lose their rights.  
But they have no rights, so they have nothing to lose.  I am lost, Virgil.  
Which way is it?

=> I'm sorry folks, but when it walks and quacks like a duck, 
=> it must be a duck and hiding your head in the sand will not 
=> make it go away.
=> 
=> So for me, I believe he's doing one hell of a job. 

There is another thread here about hell.  Personally, I would like to stem the 
flow of our young men and women into heaven.  People may be dying to get there, 
but it is way too crowded because of all the illegal immigrants we are sending 
there every day.

=> Virgil Bierschwale
=> http://www.virgilslist.com           Where are my buddies ?
=> http://www.tccutlery.com             Very nice knives
=> http://www.bierschwale.com           I want my own web site
=> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com  Software Development and Resume

And thanks for explaining things a bit, Virgil. :)

B+
HALinNY


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