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>> Yep, it's called a personal computer for a reason, and I would like to 
>> keep my computers, and the personal information they contain; well, 
>> personal.  Now, if the government had probable cause to suspect I was 
>> involved in anything illegal, which I am not, and went through proper 
>> channels to obtain a warrant that clearly stated what they suspected, 
>> then that is another matter
>>     
>
> Two problems with this: First if everything we just on your personal 
> computer, I would go along with you completely.  They would need a warrant to 
> break down your door and haul off your hard disk.  However, once you start 
> bouncing around cyber space you loose much of your expectation of privacy.  
> It's like you walking down a street and try to surreptitiously slip into a 
> dirty book store, or liquor store.  There is nothing to stop people from 
> seeing you, you are in public.  In the same way, I'm not sure where we get 
> the idea that anonymity is the key to happiness.  When I get a phone call and 
> the caller ID says private... the call does not get answered.
>   
If everything personal that leave my computer and goes into the Internet 
become public the second it leave my network, then what is all the 
emphasis about privacy about.  What are the new PCI, (eg Payment Card 
Security), standards all about:

http://www.spohncentral.com/06_industries_trends/business_trends/compliance/pci_info.htm

What are website and email certificates that are signed by third parties 
to vouch for authenticity of websites all about.  Why are encryption 
protocol over SSL connecting  users all across the Internet about?  You 
see, big brother might not be the only one listening to every keystroke 
you enter at the keyboard.  There are other people who would like access 
to your private information for any number of reason.  The main 
difference between the two is big brother can do it neolegally. LOL

> The second problem is that, with the speed of communication, etc., etc., by 
> the time we fool around with adlepated judges and a warrant is issued, the 
> event could be over.  We need a better system, but until we have one, this is 
> what we have.  As much as I distrust the government with this info, I trust 
> the crazies being left unattended even less.
>   
This issue has been extensively address.  Big brother can precede 
without a warrant as long as he eventually takes the issue before the 
FISA court.  Also, there has been some compromises worked out recently 
between congress and the executive branch to which we are not privileged.

> So, in some ways, we are victims of our own technology.
Yes, nothings ever perfect and we have to learn to comprimise with some 
give and some take.


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Regards,

LelandJ
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