They removed the component that talked about discussing end of life because of all the chicken littles out there screaming BS lies about it and exaggerating the claims of euthanasia when it reality it was simply discussing Advanced Directives. give me a break. It made a lot of sense. But now they have to remove things politically because of all the violent, unfounded knee-jerk reactions Karl Rove's cheerleaders are having out there in the town hall meetings... and here on OT.
Michael Madigan wrote: > NO! THIS WAS MANDATORY IN THE HOUSE BILL. Every 5 years after a certain > age, elderly had to meet with an end-of-life counselor. > > The Senate has now removed all the death panel language from the Senate Bill. > > > Well if it didn't exist, how did they remove it? > > --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> wrote: > > >> From: Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> >> Subject: Re: [OT] This is what obama care will give us >> To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com> >> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 2:25 PM >> Michael (and all the other Chicken >> Littles out there) >> Advanced Directives are commonly discussed with almost >> anyone going into >> the hospital where the procedure might be serious. They are >> good to have >> on file and they are now done in private run programs. (My >> ex wife is a >> chaplain in a hospital and does this all the time) >> One of the current bills states that the govt. provided >> health care will >> cover the costs of having these discussions and writing up >> one's own >> personal advanced directive if they choose to. >> PERIOD >> Stop all the BS smoke screen lies that are trying to stop >> ANY KIND of >> health reform. >> >> >> Michael Madigan wrote: >> >>> The Bill establishes "panels". In the White >>> >> House now is Ezekial Emanuel, who has written extensively on >> withholding care from the very young and the very old. >> >>> --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> From: Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [OT] This is what obama care will >>>> >> give us >> >>>> To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com> >>>> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 10:23 AM >>>> I don't find eugenics and euthanasia >>>> in the bills being proposed. >>>> It's only in the bogus opposition smoke screens >>>> >> that are >> >>>> being spewed >>>> out by the likes of you and others who are simply >>>> >> trying to >> >>>> make the >>>> whole process of health reform fail. >>>> >>>> Michael Madigan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You don't find eugenics and euthanasia >>>>> >> disturbing? >> >>>>> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Philip Borkholder <plbor...@netzero.net> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OT] This is what obama care >>>>>> >> will >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> give us >>>> >>>> >>>>>> To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com> >>>>>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 12:32 PM >>>>>> ...<yawn>... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob Calco wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> He can't even trust doctors to perform >>>>>>> >> a >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> tonsillectomy >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> for the right >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> reasons, you think Obama would trust >>>>>>> >> them with >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> unclear >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> standards for >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> determining live birth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure the new "Planned Parenthood" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> standards >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> championed by Dr. Ezekiel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Emmanuel as a means to reduce health >>>>>>> >> care >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> costs will >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> leave nothing to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> chance. That won't happen here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rahm's brother makes Dr. Kevorkian >>>>>>> >> look like >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> a >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> veritable pro-lifer by >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> comparison. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Madigan >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:14 >>>>>>>> >> AM >> >>>>>>>> To: mikes horse racing >>>>>>>> Subject: [OT] This is what obama >>>>>>>> >> care will >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> give >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> us >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205165/Father-opens-coffin- >>>>>>>> dead-baby-alive.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a85c8cb.60...@netzero.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
