Thank you Maximus. But I still refer to the NASA study that shows our planet 
is getting much warmer and the ocean level is rising. I have no reason to 
doubt the quality of NASA research. Warming is related to greenhouse gases 
in the atmosphere enough to be statistically significant.

As far as overpopulation of the planet is occurring we don't have to do 
anything to shorten the stay of those already here. I believe nature will 
take care of it for us after the current members strip it of every useful 
thing. I am old now and moving on to the end so none of this really impacts 
me much and I won't see the end result.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Publius Maximus" <[email protected]>
To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Global Warming hits the UK


The climate cannot be induced to stop changing by making Al Gore's
carbon credit company profitable. Carbon credits operate much like the
pre-Reformation Catholic indulgences, only they are less effective.

Man's contribution to the process is probably real but not
legislatively controllable or even scientifically understood. The
scientists of East Anglia have demonstrated that it's a very political
process and egos, agendas and budgets are on the line in the public
so-called debate.

If mankind is the problem the only solution is to reduce the number of
people. I suggest the ones who are most concerned with CO2 emissions
being the main culprit should hold their breath for 5 minutes in
protest. (Except for Nick, I like him despite his wrong-headedness on
this issue.) That will make a HUGE contribution to saving the planet
-- far more than handing our wallets over to government bureaucrats
and trusting them with our destinies.

So my position is:

1. Yes the climate is changing. There has never been a time when it
wasn't changing, and the insistence on this new name from erstwhile
AGW true believers is a marketing gimmick along the lines of "Heads I
win, tails you lose." Sooner than not, we're due for an Ice Age.

2. Maybe man has contributed a statistically significant something to
the process in the last 100 years, but nature has a way of regulating
these things and in any case you can't control the process
legislatively without brutal totalitarian measures;

3. The sun probably has something to do with warming the planet. :/
Small fluctuations in its output can have enormous consequences for
life on earth, far more than some statistically inconsequential gas
(CO2) relative to other greenhouse gases (like, oh, say water vapor,
esp. considering the earth is 75% covered with water).

4. The climate conference in Cancun opening with prayers to the jaguar
moon goddess of reason and basket weaving only adds to the sense that
there is something besides "hard science" behind the movement. What's
up with that?

- Publius

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Nicholas Geti <[email protected]> wrote:
> Give it up, Dan. These two guys choose to ignore any facts contrary to 
> their
> belief that the planet is warming. This article is no joke to them.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Covill" <[email protected]>
> To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Global Warming hits the UK
>
>
>> On 12/17/2010 5:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339149/Big-freeze-Coldest-December-100-years-brings-travel-chaos-holiday-rush-begins.html
>>>
>> I know you intend the Subject name as a joke, but the real joke is that
>> you are correct - the extreme weather events are indeed a result of
>> global warming. The change in average temperature perturbs the
>> atmospheric flows and causes new weather patterns, mostly of the kind
>> we'd rather not have.
>>
>> Dan Covill
>>
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