Ok, but a routine being interesting is not sufficient motivation for
incorporating it as a language primitive. There are just too many
interesting possibilities.

=: works and is simple.

Thanks,

-- 
Raul

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, Jose Mario Quintana <
[email protected]> wrote:

> These [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] are more forum instances of use or suggested use
> of the verb 4 :'(x)=: y' (or equivalent),
>
> [0] [Jprogramming] Tacit or Explicit  Raul Miller
>     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2017-
> January/046538.html
>
> [1] [Jbeta] with effort for inplace assignment performance  Raul Miller
>     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/beta/2016-July/008397.html
>
> [2] [Jprogramming] copula  Raul Miller
>     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2014-
> November/040246.html
>
> [3] [Jbeta] Why isn't copula a dyadic verb?  Pascal Jasmin
> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/beta/2014-November/007754.html
>
> [4] [Jprogramming] copula  Dan Bron
>     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2014-June/037704.html
>
> [5] Jforum: Syntax error on "is =: =:"  josemarioquintana
> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2002-June/009932.html
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Jose Mario Quintana <
> [email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Sure, there are different ways to perform a task, for example,
> >
> >    2&* 1 2 3
> > 2 4 6
> >    +:  1 2 3
> > 2 4 6
> >
> > What do you mean by "the rest of that"?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> All [1] needed was
> >>
> >> add=:4 :0
> >>   ((0{::y),'__x')=: ".1{::y
> >> )
> >>
> >> But I don't really follow the rest of that.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Raul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Jose Mario Quintana
> >> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> > The assignments are a consequence of J's agreement; see [0] for
> example.
> >> > If one wants the effect of 'a b c' =:i.3 4 5  using the verb  is  (or
> a
> >> > similar verb) then one can use 'a b c' is i.3 4 5  :)
> >> >
> >> > How is  'abc' is"0 i.3 4 5  useful?  I do not know...  Who knows?
> >> >
> >> > How is the  verb  is  (or a similar verb)  useful?  See [1, 2] for
> >> instance
> >> > (not to mention for debugging tacit verbs).
> >> >
> >> > References
> >> >
> >> > [0] Rank and Uniformity  Roger K.W. Hui
> >> >     http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/rank1.htm
> >> >
> >> > [1] [Jprogramming] Dynamic Language Features in J?  Oleg Kobchenko
> >> >     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2006-Decembe
> >> r/004479.html
> >> >
> >> > [2] [Jprogramming] Saving Nouns as Permanent Data  Jose Mario Quintana
> >> >     http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2008-April/
> >> 010529.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Don Kelly <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> How is "is" more useful  than  from x=: y
> >> >>
> >> >> what is interesting is that
> >> >>
> >> >> 'abc' is "0 i.3 4 5 displays the i.3 4 5 array but the value of abc
> >> >> appears as : although a, b, c correspond to
> >> >>
> >> >> (<0 1 2; 3; 4){i. 3 4 5
> >> >>
> >> >> 19 39 59
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In the use of "is" in this case it appears that it
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> whereas 'abc' =: i. 3 4 5 gives stores the noun abc as the array but
> >> >> leaves a, b and c undefined
> >> >>
> >> >> and 'a b c' =:i.3 4 5  gives 3  (4 by 5 )arrays
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Don Kelly
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2017-07-12 11:08 AM, Jose Mario Quintana wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Maybe I am misunderstanding...  Are you trying to imply that one
> >> cannot
> >> >>> find a verb such as  is=: 4 :'(x)=:y'  useful?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ok, so, just to be clear - this has nothing to do with default
> >> assignment?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> That said, it's probably intentional that there's no verb form of
> =:
> >> >>>> (or =.). For example, given
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> is=: 4 :'(x)=:y'
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> consider:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>    'abc' is"0 i.3 4 5
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Questions:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (1) what is
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>     a+b+c
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (2) how is this useful?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Raul
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:53 PM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
> >> >>>> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Don't fixate on just Henry's syntax or default values.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The basic "delegated function assignment" is:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> assign =: 4 : '(x) =: y'
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> its a verb, that can be composed with others (or rewritten for a
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> different/enhanced delegated assignment function) in a wide variety
> >> of
> >> >>>> ways
> >> >>>> that include all of the discussed applications in this thread.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> problem 1:  can only use =: not =.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> problem 2:  performance issue in any "delegated function
> assignment"
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> that wouldn't (or might not) exist if there were verb (and adverb
> >> forms I
> >> >>>> proposed) forms of copula.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I've just repeated previous statements entirely here.  Perhaps the
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> mistake I made was not providing an ideal example to your first
> >> request.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> ________________________________
> >> >>>>> From: Raul Miller <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
> >> >>>>> To: Programming forum <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:37 PM
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Request for comments: multiple
> >> assignment
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I do not see yet that it would be even possible to do that in a
> way
> >> >>>>> that takes advantage of in place assignment optimization. The
> >> default
> >> >>>>> mechanism only kicks in when no value was being assigned, and it
> >> seems
> >> >>>>> to me that cases where you can meaningly have "no value was being
> >> >>>>> assigned so we need a default" already have complexity which
> defeats
> >> >>>>> the in place assignment optimization.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Worse, though, is that this does not seem like a common case
> (which
> >> >>>>> suggests that it's best not to optimize for it).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That said, if we're not going to be dealing with code examples
> (and
> >> I
> >> >>>>> certainly cannot think of any - the requirements seem
> >> contradictory),
> >> >>>>> and we are going to continue discussing this, perhaps we should
> move
> >> >>>>> to the chat forum?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That said, here's a hypothetical non-example based on Henry's
> >> initial
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> post:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>     'L(0)'=: L,y
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> For that default value (0) to be relevant, the expression (L,y)
> must
> >> >>>>> be undefined. But if y were undefined the statement would fail
> with
> >> an
> >> >>>>> error. And if y were defined and the statement does not fail with
> an
> >> >>>>> error, then that default of (0) can never be used.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Which  takes me back to my previous thought which was that taking
> >> >>>>> advantage of in place optimizations for this default seems
> >> impossible.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So... once again... what are you talking about?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Raul
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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