I'm one of that silent minority (no longer so), since I'm unaware of the working of Fold, but I am convinced that "the best is the enemy of the good". But it is not the first time, and it will not be the last time, I see discussions in the forum from which I know it would be better if people would use J and share their experiences, without trying to immediately change the world we live in. In other words, there is a lack of 'programming' in this forum, IMHO.
R.E. Boss -----Original Message----- From: Programming <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 'Sergey Kamenev' via Programming Sent: donderdag 25 februari 2021 18:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Contrintuitive argument order in Fold right verb I think the invention of Fold verbs is incredibly powerful, so I use them. But, as you understand, I think that these verbs can be made even stronger by making a slight improvement. Sergey. 25.02.2021 19:51, Eric Iverson пишет: > I am a member of the silent majority on this issue. > > I have been pleased with the civility of the fold discussion > considering how emotional language issues can be. > > J is not designed by vote or committee. There are always going to be > strong disagreements. But we are a small community and are best served > by, at the appropriate time, burying those disagreements and moving > on. I think that time has come for fold. > > J is the better for having fold. Let's focus now on using it and > sharing how it can be used. Some labs or wiki pages would be nice! > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 11:25 AM Hauke Rehr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Good point about the silent ones: you’re right, I guess. >> >> I still disagree regarding fold being used the way you tell us. >> What you want to do can be done with / and the likes. >> Again, the main advantage of the fold verbs from my pont of view is >> that there may be any kind of initial data processed by v in a way >> given by x’s items’ values. >> >> But let’s just settle on “we agree to disagree” – I don’t think >> further back and forth will lead us somewhere. >> >> (and maybe I need to get some rest ere I write more rubbish here) >> >> Hauke >> >> Am 25.02.21 um 17:19 schrieb 'Sergey Kamenev' via Programming: >>> I think Henry Rich is most likely a genius programmer. >>> >>> By the way, I am a supporter of meritocracy, when the weight of a >>> person's voice depends on his merits. >>> >>> But a programming language is written for the community. >>> And so the voice of the community when discussing new features >>> should carry a lot of weight. >>> >>> The definition of a fold itself implies that there is an array that >>> will fold. >>> However, the initial value does not have to be an array, but what is >>> collapsed arg must be an array. >>> >>> Right argument have more arrayness in comparing with left arg. >>> >>> The silent majority most likely does not use Fold verbs, therefore >>> they are silent, since this topic does not concern them. >>> >>> Sergey. >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- For information about J forums see >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> -- >> ---------------------- >> mail written using NEO >> neo-layout.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
