Link to video should be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_f7wUILcoc
Cheers, bob > On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:42, 'robert therriault' via General > <[email protected]> wrote: > > J Wiki Group meeting of March 24, 2022 > > Present: Art Anger, Raul Miller, Bob Therriault > > The meeting began with a short discussion about the J playground > https://jsoftware.github.io/j-playground/bin/html/emj.html which continues to > improve as bugs are reported and removed. Since none of the J playground > workers were present, we decided to defer the discussion about whether it > should have an independent development path. The consensus among those > present was that independence would be beneficial, since the J Playground's > developers did not need to be concerned with many of the challenges faced by > the wiki. > > Next, we discussed Raul's porting of the J help information from Jsoftware to > the wiki https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php/Help . Raul reported > that Chris Burke would prefer that the vocabulary document remain on the > Jsoftware site, as it is a legacy document. Bob suggested that for the legacy > purposes help components could remain on the Jsoftware site, but that the > information that they contained should be ported to the wiki because it would > be of most use on the wiki where it could be updated > https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php/Help/Phrases/Phrases_Contents > . Raul also mentioned that the Release Notes pages had been organized by > their associated versions which made navigation and selection of the > information much easier. Also, he had been able to create a template so that > pages were more consistent in their ported state. Bob suggested also > including categories of the review state of the page would be useful to track > verification of the ported pages. Bob also mentioned a template would be > useful for establishing categories during the construction of new wiki pages > and Raul said that if a checklist could be developed that he would take a run > at incorporating it into the prototype wiki pages that he had developed. Raul > concluded with the notice that these tests were being done with the prototype > wiki because each time that the pages were ported they overwrote the previous > pages and that this would overwriting could be dangerous on the working wiki. > This means that, although members are encouraged to explore the prototype > wiki, any changes made there should be considered temporary. Lasting changes > should only be made on the current working wiki. > > Bob discussed the recent videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_f7wUILcoc > promoting the J playground and noted that it had already generated some > positive response and some valuable comments. The next video would highlight > the work that Raul had done on the porting of the help system as many of > those pages are not well known, but contain valuable information that may be > organized in more effective ways on the wiki. > > Then a discussion about ways of attracting more people to the project was > undertaken. As it is, the group working on the wiki have a great deal of > influence in its development, but because the wiki is to be of use to a more > general audience, greater diversity would result in a better fit to that > audience. This evolved into a discussion of how to increase the appeal of J > on a wider scale. Raul suggested some type of support for teachers who may > want to use J for their students. Bob pointed out that, although this would > be a very good approach in delivering J to a wider audience, it would > probably need a separate development team, not unlike the one proposed for > the J Playground. Ian Clark in correspondence had suggested that using a > generalist committee to direct specialist tasks would be one approach for the > J Wiki group, the other one being a (benevolent) dictator. The committee > approach would take longer to get started, but should be able to function > better in the long run. The current slow growth and the rapid progress that > the specialists have made in porting the help section and the J playground > suggests we are on the generalist committee path and that we should keep > working to attract members from diverse backgrounds. If you are interested, > please consider letting us know on the general forum, so that we can link you > into future meetings. > > The meeting ended with a discussion initiated by Art asking about whether > there was any ability to include a back button on the wiki navigation. Raul > suggested that the browser back button was the best option because otherwise > a history of wiki browsing would have to be provided dynamically. Bob > suggested a bread crumb list that would be static and could guide the user > into the structure of the wiki. An alternative is to have the links activate > new tabs at certain key points in the search, allowing you to jump back to a > previous section and restart the search from there. There are many choices in > the way to do wiki navigation and as we move towards a method it will also be > important to provide directions so that users can make better use of the wiki > tools. > > Reports of past J wiki Meeting may be found here: > https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development > > Responses to this email should be made on the general forum only. > > Cheers, bob > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
