One of the attractions of this WSJ competition is that it looks like part of the idea is to assemble a team on the spot. I'm just not confident that I could bring J to the effort and add much value in a short time (about a day and a half) because of my uncertainty about how I would be able to interact with a live web site.
Ideally, I'd like to be a peer to the front-end (web-facing) part of the app: able to handle requests generated by it and able to push back requests (more info from a user; related info off the web; display this customized page I generated) to the site. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote: > First you need to define your scope. > > What volume of traffic does your front end need to deal with (ideally, you > should have this right within a factor of 10, but for small projects the > estimate is probably not very important)? > > What kind of information are you showing? (It's good to have a pencil > drawing of how you want your pages to look, if you do not want to spend a > lot of time, while writing them, trying to decide how you want them to look) > > Also, what is the goal of your proposed team? You are going to need to > make that known if you want to find other like-minded people to join your > team. [You will also need at least one way for your group to meet and > interact (email list, twitter list, social media room, mmorpg setting, irc > channel, monthly table at a bar, shortwave radio frequency, github or > sourceforge account, wiki, ... *something*). There will be practical > issues, here, but their relevance will depend on your people and your > activities.] > > Obviously there's a lot more that you will need, but these are the things > that occur to me from your description, here. > > FYI, > > -- > Raul > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Devon McCormick <devon...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm hoping that I might be able to work as part of a team where others >> can feed me information I can analyze. It would be nice to have or >> understand what I need to be better integrated into a web-page front >> end using J. >> >> I do a primitive version of the preliminary work for something like >> this when I use J to pull information out of a web page I get using >> "wget" but my extraction methods are very ad-hoc and it's very much an >> "off-line" activity. >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > That page took about 30 seconds to load, apparently because chrome >> decided >> > to sit for 30 seconds between loading the page and loading the first >> script >> > on that page (jQuery). Not really directly relevant, but I data >> > transparency has a lot of issues which do not seem directly relevant. >> > >> > Anyways, the way to get good at something is to do a lot of it. And to >> > have good tools for getting at the things you need when you do a lot... >> > >> > Right now, J doesn't have anything like php / asp.net / rails / django >> ... >> > In some ways, jhs hits that same region, but it's designed for >> developers, >> > not for end user applications. >> > >> > Also, J doesn't have anything with the ease of use of ". which can be >> > safely fed content from untrusted browsers -- no one has cared. >> > >> > Also, J doesn't have a simple way of managing multiple processes or >> tasks. >> > >> > Anyways... needs thought... lots of scope of work issues, here. >> > >> > -- >> > Raul >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Devon McCormick <devon...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> This competition (and ones like it) - http://datatransparency.wsj.com/ >> >> - is something for which I'd like to use J but I'm afraid we're still >> >> not ready for prime-time to use J for web-based development - at least >> >> the GUI end of it. >> >> >> >> Do people have thoughts on this? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Devon McCormick, CFA >> >> ^me^ at acm. >> >> org is my >> >> preferred e-mail >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> Devon McCormick, CFA >> ^me^ at acm. >> org is my >> preferred e-mail >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- Devon McCormick, CFA ^me^ at acm. org is my preferred e-mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
