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Actually zerodeux is not on vacation, he is just very busy with real life. I would
have some time to spare to get this started, but I can't do anything without a
chrooted box to work from.
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Project: Administration
Submitted by: Mathieu Roy
On: Mon 02/02/2004 at 00:58
Should Start On: Sun 02/01/2004 at 23:00
Should be Finished on: Tue 02/01/2005 at 23:00
Category: Services Functionalities
Priority: 1 - Later
Resolution: None
Privacy: Public
Assigned to: zerodeux
Percent Complete: 0%
Status: Open
Effort: 0.00
Summary: subversion support
Original Submission: Gna! should support subversion as alternative to arch.
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Date: Tue 08/10/2004 at 13:14 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
Actually zerodeux is not on vacation, he is just very busy with real life. I would
have some time to spare to get this started, but I can't do anything without a
chrooted box to work from.
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Date: Tue 08/10/2004 at 13:07 By: Elfyn McBratney <beu>
Most of (all?) the Gna! admins that are working on this are on a well deserved
holiday. I guess they should have known taking a holiday in the sun would upset you..
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Date: Tue 08/10/2004 at 09:51 By: Eugene Sizikov <eugene_beast>
Hello, there!
I'm unhappy to see than SVN doesn't work till now, when task #500 'is almost
complete...' and so on ;(
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Date: Thu 06/17/2004 at 08:55 By: Vincent Caron <zerodeux>
Hello,
sorry, there is still a dependent task I need to finish (improve the remote backup),
and I need to be able to allocate a large contiguous chunk of time for this. Which was
kind of hard those last two weeks :(.
I'm still commited to setup that svn thing, I promiss :).
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Date: Thu 06/17/2004 at 01:24 By: Eugene Sizikov <eugene_beast>
Again, how it's going? Two weeks are gone...
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Date: Sat 05/29/2004 at 14:53 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
We'll start setting up an experimental server for subversion stuff within the next two
weeks I think. atm it mostly depends on zerodeux's availability, and after that it
will depend on mine
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Date: Sat 05/29/2004 at 13:54 By: Eugene Sizikov <eugene_beast>
So, how it's going? I sorta like Subversion and waiting for its presence here at Gna!
for bookeeping my project. When it's planned to got worked?
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Date: Tue 05/18/2004 at 08:08 By: Vincent Caron <zerodeux>
I've assigned two dependencies to this item :
* have a stable remote backup
* have updated admin docs
I'll do my best to fullfill them before the end of the month. It's just there to help
boring things to be done, and keep the general idea to only push an experiment when
everything else is rock solid.
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Date: Mon 05/17/2004 at 15:22 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
Discussed with the svn developers for a bit, and I have some kind of plan together. As
I expected, they recommend DAV for scalability/stability.
There would be two root <Location> in apache conf, one under http for read only
(along with an online repository browser), and one under an https for read write.
Using svnparentpath we can have a single <Location> and all the project repositories
stored below a single directory.
The read-write control would be performed through a pre-commit hook I think, as it
would work with svn over ssh as well, and is probably needed considering the current
user accounts strategy
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Date: Thu 05/13/2004 at 12:07 By: Vincent Caron <zerodeux>
Incidentally, someone from Xiph would be interested in a 'GNUish forge' with
subversion support :
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-dev/2004-05/msg00035.html
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Date: Wed 05/12/2004 at 19:25 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
I would expect a good setup to be fairly low maintenance. There are a few things to
watch out for. If you consider Alioth, they had an appalling permissions policy which
was causing regular repository lockups.
For good scalability, the SVN developers recommend DAV transport (http/https) over
svnserve (ssh). I commonly use https for write access, SVN supports client
certificates but I never actually tried it. We can have ssh write access, but it will
involve a careful setup of permissions and umask.
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Date: Wed 05/12/2004 at 19:25 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
I would expect a good setup to be fairly low maintenance. There are a few things to
watch out for. If you consider Alioth, they had an appalling permissions policy which
was causing regular repository lockups.
For good scalability, the SVN developers recommend DAV transport (http/https) over
svnserve (ssh). I commonly use https for write access, SVN supports client
certificates but I never actually tried it. We can have ssh write access, but it will
involve a careful setup of permissions and umask.
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Date: Wed 05/12/2004 at 18:21 By: Mathieu Roy <yeupou>
For testing, why not doing that on maggie indeed.
But I insist on the fact that maggie should at no cost run real public services.
Apart from that, I read that SVN was frequently broken wherever it is provided.
Installing it is one task, but maintaining is another. It would be nice if Timothee
can devote time to install it but it cannot work if he does not have time to also
maintain it on the long run.
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Date: Wed 05/12/2004 at 14:13 By: Vincent Caron <zerodeux>
I'd propose to setup a Woody in a chroot'ed environment in our spare machine (ie.
Maggie), and have Timo install a SVN setup and try to write the Savane/SVN backend
(account creation, backup, etc).
If 1) it works, 2) we have a free IP to dedicate to this service (ports: http{s}, ssh,
?), 3) we can buy a dedicated machine, it could be a new official Savane service. I'm
not firm on #3, we'll see the machine load by then.
BTW, I've known Timo for a long time and trust him. He maintains ID Software's GPL'ed
level editor Gtk-Radiant as well as GNU/Linux ports of their (closed source, yes:))
games. He's been closely involved with SVN and its community for more than 2 years.
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Date: Wed 05/12/2004 at 09:29 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
any progress on that one?
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Date: Thu 03/11/2004 at 10:40 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
I have noticed that some other sourceforge forks have started providing SVN access. I
don't know which codebase gna uses exactly.
http://developer.berlios.de/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4718
Anyway, to answer (partly) your questions:
- storage: GtkRadiant repository (https://zerowing.idsoftware.com:666/) has 4320
revisions, and uses 1.1Gb.
It's a fairly large repository, as it was converted from a CVS repository, after 4
years of active developement, and is used to store binary media as well as source
code. SVN tends to be bigger though. Got an account of 120Mb -> 150Mb. Expect a size
increase around 20%.
The storage is berkeley db, so it's a single large random access file.
- backup:
SVN provides a hot-backup.py script which can be used and extended. It does a hotcopy
to duplicate the repository. I run it croned daily. Only doing hot-backup when the
repository changes.
- CPU load. for regular usage, backups, viewsvn .. hard to estimate. The same box ( P3
600Mhz ) we started GtkRadiant on CVS, we are still using with SVN. SVN generally
performs better for users for your server CPU cycles. Word on the street is that it's
less CPU intensive ( HD bound? ) + 'costs are proportional to change size, not data
size', which is not true for CVS.
- security / permissions etc.
the svnserve protocol doesn't offer much for permissions. It has an anonymous mode (no
write), and otherwise uses the permissions it is executed as. They plan to improve on
that, but the DAV way offers fine grained access already.
I can't say I'm a big fan of ssh for transport. It makes things fairly hard to setup
for windows users, which is my main problem with it. DAV over https, with client
certificates .. makes things about as secure as an ssh access anyway.
- web interfaces to repository:
ViewCVS: Requires the python bindings. I gave up using it on GtkRadiant, as it locks
me up (
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=895294&group_id=18760&atid=118760
)
SVN::Web: uses the python bindings. Is more bare-bones than ViewSVN, but a good
alternative. That's what I'm running now, but it has scalability issues on repos with
a lot of branches.
Chora: requires php, word is Chora as experimental SVN support.
The web interfaces will likely be causing most of the load.
- cvsreport-like:
There are contributed scripts in the SVN repository. I have one with web URLs which I
can contribute. It's much easier to write that stuff with SVN than it is with CVS.
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Date: Thu 03/11/2004 at 09:21 By: Vincent Caron <zerodeux>
Let's try to detail a bit, we need :
- storage: what is the disk usage ratio between a CVS and SVN repository for the same
source tree ? What are bandwidth issues (lots of small scattered files ? heavily
random access ?)
- backup: svnadmin dump or hotcopy ? Need some insight (time, load, compression).
- CPU cycles: difficult to estimate. Right now we only have 90 projects and the CVS
server is lightly loaded (0.1 average). What is the load ratio between CVS and SVN for
the same source tree and usage ?
- init: need to hook a 'svnadmin create' in the group creation backend.
- security: preferred transport will be SSH, user & group rights should work as they
are now. Expecting WebDAV when there is a dedicated server for SVN.
- helpers: ViewCVS 1.0-cvs supports SVN. Needs a cvsreport-alike.
Comments/addition welcome.
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Date: Tue 02/10/2004 at 16:32 By: Timothee Besset <ttimo>
do you have a roadmap at this point?
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