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On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Send Project_owners mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Project_owners digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Pete Collins) > 2. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman) > 3. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Myk Melez) > 4. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Myk Melez) > 5. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Myk Melez) > 6. Re: proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap (Axel Hecht) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:00:17 -0700 > From: Pete Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: Mozdev Project Owners List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > * By "deprecating CVS", I assume we mean new projects should not be > > instituted on CVS unless the project owner explicitly requests it. > > I'd be in favor of that. CVS is just too much pain compared to more > > modern systems. > > It's funny, I've been using cvs for over a decade now and never noticed > any real problems w/ it ... > > But I'm all for a better and easier to use revision control system is > there is one. > > --pete > > -- > Pete Collins - Founder, Mozdev Group Inc. > www.mozdevgroup.com > Mozilla Software Development Solutions > tel: 1-719-302-5811 > fax: 1-719-302-5813 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:06:33 -0300 > From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: Mozdev Project Owners List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Pete Collins wrote: > | It's funny, I've been using cvs for over a decade now and never noticed > | any real problems w/ it ... > > It all comes down to your needs. When I work by myself, I prefer CVS. When > working with a team, SVN. > Yeah, I know both should do well in the team area, but... I've had enough > problems with CVS :P > > | But I'm all for a better and easier to use revision control system is > | there is one. > > Subversion is quite good, really. For anyone interested, here you have a > quite nice "CVS vs. > Subversion" comparison: > > http://www.pushok.com/soft_svn_vscvs.php > > A couple of interesting pages, with different perspectives: > > http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/CVS_vs_SVN > http://weblogs.asp.net/astopford/archive/2004/11/05/253029.aspx > > - -- > Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman > Reliable inter-continental Mail Relay Service - Ask me! > Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG > http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFH8+dIAlpOsGhXcE0RCgrjAJ0SDSQ+Ov90+7+YHyDqQ2R7Me0DDwCdGLMv > hog1XUuPSTaPqsjFUScUmOI= > =Aw2U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:17:14 -0700 > From: Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: Mozdev Project Owners List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Jesper Staun Hansen wrote: > > > 3. Automate project creation and management so that project creation > > requests can be addressed in minutes or hours and users can self-manage > > their projects.* > > > > What's the rush? And it's already on the roadmap. > > > It's already on the roadmap, but it's currently listed as a second-tier > priority. My proposal is to make it a top priority. The "rush" is that > I think it's a key issue affecting Mozdev's attractiveness to potential > project owners who want to get up and running quickly. It also impacts > existing project owners who want to get a new project up with a minimum > of fuss and delay. > > -myk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:21:52 -0700 > From: Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: Mozdev Project Owners List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Pete Collins wrote: > > For security reasons, I would advise against this. Uploads are safer > > using version control and or browser file upload. > > > Mozilla IT has been deploying a new secure file upload and management > strategy for stage.mozilla.org that we could probably reuse. > > I agree that version control is safer, because it's easier to correct > mistakes, but direct file manipulation is simpler and an oft-requested > feature (and for folks who want the safety, it's pretty easy to check > the files into version control as well). > > Browser file upload is a good idea that we should implement as a > super-simple basic file upload solution whether or not we also enable > scp/sftp/ftps upload. > > -myk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:29:14 -0700 > From: Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: Mozdev Project Owners List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Alex Vincent wrote: > > * Not having Mercurial as part of the current MozillaBuild package > > hurts on Windows. A lot. Guess what my primary platform is... > Hmm, this seems like something the Mozilla folks would be working on. > Is there a bug on this? > > > * If Mozilla 1.9.x will also have a constantly-maintained Mercurial > > repository, then it might actually be better for me to use Mercurial > > directly, > That's the plan. > > > although I'm not sure mozdev would appreciate me placing the whole > > Mozilla source there... alternatively, I can always maintain a patch > > set, and make checking out of Moz1.9 part of the checkout process. > > (This alternate is how I was approaching my project on the assumption > > of SVN.) > I guess that depends on the size of the repository and the number of > projects that want this. > > > * By "deprecating CVS", I assume we mean new projects should not be > > instituted on CVS unless the project owner explicitly requests it. > > I'd be in favor of that. CVS is just too much pain compared to more > > modern systems. > Right. We'd still provide CVS to projects that have good cause to use > it, but we'd encourage projects to use the other revision control system > instead, and that's where we would refocus tooling efforts (like the > various roadmap items on CVS tooling: Bonsai, LXR, Doctor, commit > notifications). > > -myk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:26:44 +0200 > From: Axel Hecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Project_owners] proposed changes to Mozdev roadmap > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Myk Melez wrote: > > Alex Vincent wrote: > >> * Not having Mercurial as part of the current MozillaBuild package > >> hurts on Windows. A lot. Guess what my primary platform is... > > Hmm, this seems like something the Mozilla folks would be working on. > > Is there a bug on this? > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402224 > > Axel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Project_owners mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners > > > End of Project_owners Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 > ********************************************* > _______________________________________________ Project_owners mailing list [email protected] https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
