Abbas Amin yang tidak begitu waras itu tidak melihat bukti yang saya tunjukkan untuk mengatakan bahwa safin _blanc berpengetahuan dangkal.....
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@...> wrote: > > Anda Pedundu, memang berpngtahuan LUAS !? > Kok gampng sekli ni manusia memvonis orang lin dengan SEMBARANGAN sekali. > Ciri dari GILA OTAKNYA ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... > > > > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> wrote: > > > > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak pernah > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini gw,.. > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... > > > > > > > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini, > > > urusan > > > begini aja jadi besar.. > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti titit lu yg > > > sontoloyo.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong itilnya > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > > > > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. > > > > > > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. > > > > > > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg bahagia.. > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis > > > > >ini,... > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. > > > > > > > > > >kasihaaaannn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> ** > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, > > > > >> berarti lu > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah > > > > >> disunat > > > > >> belum itilnya? > > > > >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus itu ga > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat > > > > >> iblis, > > > > spt > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, > > > > >> cewek > > > > yg > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, dan > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita > > > > >> >tetangganya > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. > > > > >> >ngesek > > > > itu > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas islam > > > > >> >dan > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> ** > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, > > > > >> >> where an > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit on a > > > > >> >> low > > > > >> wooden > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did somethingÂ…I screamed out in > > > > >> pain," > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good fight" > > > > >> >> before > > > > >> she > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being taken to > > > > the > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went there > > > > while > > > > >> >> bathing!" > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their daughters > > > > undergo > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), the > > > > Dawoodi > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the community > > > > >> >> first > > > > >> began > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit > > > > community, > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and estimated to > > > > number > > > > >> two > > > > >> >> million the world over. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly > > > > `Outlook' > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace back > > > > >> >> to > > > > >> their > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because they see > > > > this > > > > >> as > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women and men > > > > even > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than > > > > >> >> question a > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a > > > > >> >> woman's > > > > >> >> body." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure that > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for > > > > non-medical > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may > > > > >> >> involve > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in some > > > > Middle > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or mutilation. > > > > African > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central > > > > >> >> African > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya and > > > > >> >> Egypt. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is done > > > > with > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a woman's > > > > sexual > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it as a > > > > >> >> way > > > > of > > > > >> >> controlling women. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of Obstetricians > > > > >> >> and > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a > > > > community as > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this > > > > >> >> practice. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip (of > > > > >> >> the > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the woman of > > > > sexual > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, finds > > > > >> >> no > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no religious > > > > >> scholar, > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, I'd > > > > >> >> suggest > > > > the > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason so > > > > >> >> that > > > > >> they > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider asks. > > > > >> >> "Women > > > > >> who > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she says. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes by the > > > > name > > > > >> of > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online petition > > > > asking > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, to > > > > >> >> have > > > > >> this > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is based in > > > > the > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric ritual > > > > >> >> has no > > > > >> place > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His > > > > Holiness > > > > >> to > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a > > > > >> >> minority > > > > >> among > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get > > > > >> >> their > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the community's > > > > high > > > > >> >> priest. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be some > > > > goodness > > > > >> in > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia Mohammad, 38, > > > > >> mother > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and > > > > >> >> "barbaric", > > > > >> but > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe > > > > >> >> manner > > > > >> today > > > > >> >> by doctors." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' circumcisions. "It takes > > > > less > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local > > > > >> >> anaesthesia. > > > > >> Just a > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite except > > > > >> >> what > > > > was > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is unclean > > > > >> >> and > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information > > > > circulating > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the community > > > > >> >> with > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next generation. > > > > >> >> They > > > > >> will > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she says > > > > >> >> of a > > > > >> rite > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all strata of > > > > Bohra > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because > > > > >> >> "it's > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was seven > > > > >> >> by > > > > her > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this ritual > > > > >> perpetuates > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life for > > > > getting > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have > > > > >> >> friends > > > > who > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On the > > > > >> >> other > > > > >> hand, > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's clitoris > > > > >> >> gives > > > > me > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. She > > > > refuses > > > > >> to > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the right > > > > >> >> age > > > > >> band > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated forum > > > > >> >> for > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very first > > > > time, > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the media > > > > >> >> got > > > > >> into > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking about > > > > their > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange from > > > > India. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. "I will > > > > keep > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is the first > > > > step > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, only time > > > > will > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition will > > > > >> >> make > > > > a > > > > >> >> difference. 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