Jadi bini dan budak itu sama yg belum dibebaskan itu sama2 jadi milik orang 
Islam. Kalo budaknya udah dibebaskan, maka si budak bukan lagi milik orang 
Islam, sementara bini terus jadi milik orang Islam.

Abbas Amin ini betul2 memberikan pencerahan, hehehe....




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> From: Abbas Amin <abas_ami...@yahoo.com>
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Immigran Islam Masa Kini Ditolak Diseluruh Dunia !!!
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>  
>Iya sebelum perbudakan dibebaskan.
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>--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Immigran Islam Masa Kini Ditolak Diseluruh Dunia !!!
>To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
>Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 10:57 AM
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>Hehehe... kita hrs nyatat bhw Abbas Amin bilang bini dan budak itu sama2 
>adalah milik orang Islam.
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>> From: Abbas Amin <abas_ami...@yahoo.com>
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>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
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>>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:25 AM
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>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Immigran Islam Masa Kini Ditolak Diseluruh Dunia !!!
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>>ya kalau udaah sesuai emang mo apa lagi ?
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>>mau supaya jangan idiot lagi ? Kayanya gak ada hubungannya tuh antara 
>>keseuaian hukum Islam dengan keidiotan lu ?
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>>Walau kaau slb ku yakin kau bisa lah sedikit membedakannya . Kan ?
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>>Tapi kalau kau tak mampu membedakaannya juga; gua cukup maklum dah.
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>>--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com>
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>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Immigran Islam Masa Kini Ditolak Diseluruh Dunia !!!
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>>To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
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>>Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 12:02 AM
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>>Hehehe... lu bilang bhw budak dan isteri sama dimiliki. Gua setuju tuh dgn 
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>>> From: Abbas Amin <abas_ami...@yahoo.com>
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>>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
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>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:24 AM
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>>>Terserah pendapat elo dah. Karena pendapat orang laain , mana masuk ke otak 
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>>>To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com>
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>>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 8:41 PM
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>>>>Definisinya pada saat itu adalah "kepemilikan" ; Budak atau istri 
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>>>didpt cukup dgn bayar mahar ke si bini. Jadi sama dgn beli barang aja. Lalu 
>>>si bini bisa digarap sesuka hati. Masih lbh murah beli bini dibandingkan dgn 
>>>pergi ke pelacur, krn pelacur jg ga bisa digarap sesuka hati spt bini.
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>>>>Hahahaha ! Ngomong GOUBLOKKK apa lagi ni si DEBIL !?
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