--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Bukan urusan lu, ngapain lu nanya2 urusan gua? >
lha..?? ngapain dong lu posting ngaku2 bahwa elu nongkrong di kedubes? gw nanyain karena elu kan tukang kibul sama seperti pendeta kristen yang ngibulin jemaatnya nyolong duit perpuluhan. > Gua ngasih tau ke orang2 Islam bejad di milis ini yg coba nutup2in kebejadan > majikan Arabnya thd tkw Indonesia dgn ngasih tau apa yg merupakan kejadian > sehari2 di kedubes di Riyadh, di mana tkw2 itu ngelapor penganiayaan yg > mereka alami. > > ah.., nggak usah lu kasih tau juga semua orang udah tau. berita penganiayaan tki itu kan berita basi yang udah sering terjadi. si ambon juga rajin tuh kasih berita tentang penganiayaan tki di arab. yang merupakan berita baru adalah, ada member prol berada di kedubes saudi, artinya elu tentunya mengadu karena dianiaya juga sama majikan elu kan?! since you are admitted that you are gay, makanya gw curious, ngapain si anjing sipit ada di kedubes saudi ya? apa elu diperkosa pantatnya disodomi dan diobrak abrik ama kontol arab? tapi, kalo lu nggak mau cerita karena merasa trauma dengan penganiayaan itu sih, nggak apa2 juga. gw bisa mengerti dengan peristiwa tragis yang menggoncangkan jiwa elu dan menyedihkan yang menimpa elu kok > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@...> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:24 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Why Some Muslim Women Don't Wear Hijab > > > > > > > > > >tem, kok lu ngacir ketika ditanyain 'ngapain nongkrong di kedubes'? > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Cewek itu dikarungin kayak orang mati itu bukannya spy si cewek jadi najis > >> kayak permen dibungkus plastik spy higienis, tp justru sebaliknya. > >> > >> Cewek itu najis, makanya hrs dikarungin spy orang lain ga jadi najis. > >> Misalnya krn ngeliat cewek berpakaian pelacur, orang Islam jadi horny lalu > >> merkosa si cewek. Dlm kasus ini, yg salah adalah si cewek yg berpakean > >> kayak pelacur (alias ga pake pakean orang mati). > >> > >> Nyentuh cewek itu kan bikin wudhu batal, sama spt nyentuh taik atau > >> nyentuh anjing. Ini nunjukin bhw cewek itu najis. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> > From: Sunny <ambon@> > >> >To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ > >> >Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:08 AM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Why Some Muslim Women Don't Wear Hijab > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/blogs/why-some-muslim-women-dont-wear-hijab/538417 > >> >August 15, 2012 | by Dian Kuswandini > >> >Why Some Muslim Women Don't Wear Hijab > >> > > >> >A cleric takes out two candies; unwraps one of them and throws them both > >> >onto the floor. He asks: ââ¬Å"If you have to choose, which candy will > >> >you pick? Of course, youââ¬â¢ll take the wrapped one because > >> >itââ¬â¢s the clean one. In Islam, we protect our women through > >> >hijab.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> >First of all, I'm a believer: I'm a practicing Muslim. Second, I > >> >donââ¬â¢t wear hijab. And from here my story starts. > >> >ââ¬Â¨ > >> >One day, a male friend tagged me on a note in Facebook; it's about a > >> >conversation between a non-Muslim man and an Islamic cleric. > >> > > >> >The man asks: ââ¬Å"Why does Islam oblige Muslim women to wear > >> >hijab?ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >In answering the question, the cleric takes out two candies; unwraps one > >> >of them and throws them both onto the floor. He asks: ââ¬Å"If you have > >> >to choose, which candy will you pick?ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >The man answers: ââ¬Å"Of course Iââ¬â¢ll take the wrapped one, > >> >because itââ¬â¢s the clean one.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >The cleric goes, ââ¬Å"Indeed. In Islam, we protect our women through > >> >hijab.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >ââ¬Â¨Feeling disturbed with that degrading analogy, I sent him a > >> >message. > >> > > >> >ââ¬Å"Do you suggest that non-hijabi Muslim women are dirty? And how > >> >come you compare women with candies?ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >This guy replied, ââ¬Å"Don't take it to your heart. Just understand > >> >that wearing hijab is an obligation in Islam, and shouldn't be > >> >compromised.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >ââ¬Â¨It wasn't the first time I engaged in that kind of conversation > >> >with Muslim men like him ââ¬" those with the "I'm more Muslim than you" > >> >syndrome. They thought they knew Islam better just because my appearance > >> >doesn't ââ¬Å"representââ¬ï¿½ Islam. > >> > > >> >In between our debates over Qur'anic verses and hadiths (saying of the > >> >Prophet Muhammad), they always slapped me a hadith telling that > >> >non-hijabi women would be burned in hell. ââ¬Å"Remember that,ââ¬ï¿½ > >> >one of them warned as if he has secured himself a place in heaven. > >> > > >> >They even called me a follower of the Liberal Islam Network (JIL), just > >> >because I refused to be forced into wearing hijab. Never in my life I've > >> >joined JIL nor attended its events ââ¬" I don't even agree with many of > >> >JIL's ideas. Yet one guy easily condemned: "You can deny you're a JIL > >> >follower, but you act just like them, so you're one of them." > >> > > >> >At least I'm not the only one to receive such a condemnation. Respected > >> >ulema and former Indonesia's religious affairs minister Quraish Shihab > >> >was once called an agent of liberal Islam and was slew with harsh words > >> >when he released his book on hijab, which argues that Islam never > >> >strictly determines the limits of women's awrah (body parts to be > >> >covered). > >> > > >> >Many accused him of writing the book in favor of his non-hijabi daughter, > >> >TV presenter Najwa Shihab. In his book, ââ¬Å"Jilbab: Pakaian Wanita > >> >Muslimahââ¬ï¿½ ("Jilbab: Muslim Women Attire"), Shihab presents > >> >different views of ulemas in the past and the present on hijab, > >> >encouraging readers to analyze this issue from many perspectives instead > >> >of following something blindly. He says Muslims should realize that there > >> >are other ââ¬Å"menusââ¬ï¿½ offered in Islam, and it's important to > >> >note that Islam never intends to complicate its followers. > >> > > >> >In fact, it's Muslims themselves who complicate things by opting for the > >> >strictest views. On hijab, Shihab quotes Imam al-Syafi'i, one of the > >> >founders of Islamic jurisprudence, who said: "I cannot say ââ¬" and > >> >even others with great knowledge will never say ââ¬" that this (the > >> >hijab law) has been mujma' 'alaihi (universally agreed)." > >> > > >> >Many Indonesian Islamic figures in the past, Shihab says, were very > >> >relaxed toward hijab. Although he didn't precisely identify them, I can > >> >name famous figures like Buya Hamka, Mohammad Natsir and Agus Salim. > >> >Today, however, it seems like hijab is everything that counts in an > >> >Indonesian Muslim woman. > >> > > >> >In 2007, I went undercover and lived for few days among prostitutes in a > >> >famous red light district in Jakarta for my investigative report. Several > >> >prostitutes there ââ¬" mostly the senior ones ââ¬" wore hijab. When I > >> >told this to those same friends, they said I shouldn't link hijab with > >> >one's piety and profession. Muslim women must wear hijab; their > >> >professions would be another case. So I asked, "In which part then hijab > >> >can protect women when they work as prostitutes?ââ¬ï¿½ > >> > > >> >I'm not against hijab ââ¬" who knows that someday I might wear it? But > >> >it's the harsh judgments on one's personal choices of religious practices > >> >that have made me swallow aspirins now and then. I can't agree if some > >> >Muslims force something into others, like it's God's unquestionable > >> >truth. Even Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) couldn't force his > >> >beloved uncle to embrace Islam. > >> > > >> >Remember, something that's forced will create nothing but hatred and > >> >antipathy. Do you realize that your silly hijab campaigns might be > >> >counter-productive and make non-hijabi women view hijab negatively? > >> > > >> >You, Mr. "I'm more Muslim than you," are angry if someone calls you a > >> >terrorist because you wear Arabic attire. And you say, ââ¬Å"Don't judge > >> >me from my clothes.ââ¬ï¿½ Now dear brothers, please apply your words as > >> >well to your non-hijabi sisters ââ¬" don't hold double standards > >> > > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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