Gabby, dalam Islam ada ajaran yang namanya 'hablum minallah dan hablum minanas', artinya hubungan manusia secara vertikal (tuhan) dan horizontal (sesama manusia).
Jadi, gw nggak bisa menentukan gw termasuk golongan mana dan gw juga nggak bisa menentukan bahwa golongan ini sesat dan golongan itu benar, karena semua manusia dalam Islam bertanggung jawab atas kebaikan dan kejahatannya secara individual kepada Tuhan. Seperti FPI menganggap bahwa Ahmadiyah dan Shiah adalah sesat sehingga mereka melakukan kekerasan terhadap golongan tersebut sementara NU tidak melakukan kekerasan terhadap Ahmadiyah dan Shiah. Al Quran itu tidak ada yang salah. Kalo lu udah membaca Al Quran dari halaman pertama sampai halaman terakhir maka lu akan bisa mempertimbangkan sendiri apakah Al Quran itu salah atau benar karena Al Quran adalah pedoman hidup. Seperti habe pernah bilang, Al Quran itu seperti Rand Mcnally Maps. Journey kehidupan manusia di dunia ini yang penuh lika-liku terdiri kebaikan dan kejahatan semua ada petunjuknya di Al Quran. Tinggal kita sebagai manusia dengan menggunakan akalnya menentukan sendiri, mau berbuat kekerasan seperti FPI atau berbuat toleran seperti NU dan Muhammadiyah dengan konsep "Lakum dinukum Waliadin". Jika ada non muslim yang mengidentikan Islam dengan kekerasan seperti item, jusfiq, dan gerombolannya, silahkan aja. Jika ada non muslim yang mengidentikan Islam dengan toleran seperti Suryana, Teddy, silahkan aja. Gw kan udah bilang Gabby, bahwa di Al Quran itu ada juga ayat perang. Apakah Al Quran itu salah? Tentu saja tidak karena Al Quran itu ayat2nya terdiri dari ayat2 kasih dan ayat2 kekerasan. Apakah Allah kejam? Tentu saja tidak. Lu kan tahu bahwa setiap muslim sebelum melakukan sesuatu selalu mengucapkan Bismillah,... 'dengan nama Allah yang maha pengasih dan penyayang'. Jadi seperti itu lah sifat Tuhan buat orang Muslim, pengasih dan penyayang. Jadi, adalah goblog orang seperti item, jusfiq, elu yang selalu menggeneralisasi dan berpikiran sempit bahwa Islam=Arab Arab=Islam. Ngerti?? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Bang Reza, apakah aku salah? Bukankah al Qur'an menyatakan bhw Allah SWT in > his infinite wisdom (i) Membimbing siapa saja yg dikehendaki-Nya, (ii) > Menyesatkan siapa saja yg dikehendaki-Nya. > > Jangan terus ngomong jorok, tapi katakan 'Ya' memang allah umat Islam itu > membimbing Muslim tapi beliau juga menyesatkan sebagian Muslim.Anda termasuk > golongan mana? Apa anda pikir Allah ini maha adil? > > Gabriella > > > > > ________________________________ > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@...> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012 6:51 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 'Devil played with my head', says teacher accused of > rape > > > Â > Gabby, makanya sebelum buka bacot mendingan lu belajar dulu ama si romo item > tuh. Gih, belajar sekolah minggu dulu sama romo item sekalian biar bisa > disodomi oleh romo item seperti altar boys lainnya. > > Hehehe.... > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Orang Islam jg ngomong insya auloh spy kalo mereka ga nepatin janji mereka, > > mereka bisa ngomong auloh yg ga berkenan, bukan mereka yg ngelanggar janji > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:17 PM > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] 'Devil played with my head', says teacher accused > > >of rape > > > > > > > > >ÃÂ > > >Bagi yg belum tau, Al Qur'an memangÃÂ mengisahkan bhw 'Allah itu > > >membimbing siapa saja yg dikehendaki-Nya, tapi Allah juga menyesatkan > > >siapa saja yg dikehendakin-Nya.' > > > > > >Ada ayat lain yg bagian akhirnya berkata: 'Allah adalah pensiasat nomor > > >wahid di dunia/semesta alam!' > > > > > >Mangkanya umat Islam selalu mengucap:ÃÂ "indya Allah" karena mereka idak > > >tau apakah merekaÃÂ termasuk yg dibimbing atau yg disesatkan oleh Allah. > > > > > >Gabriella > > > > > >________________________________ > > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > > >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 9:10 AM > > >Subject: [proletar] 'Devil played with my head', says teacher accused of > > >rape > > > > > > > > >ÃÂ > > >Hehehe... ada lagi ustad merkosa anak cowok 4 thn. > > > > > >Si ustad ini ngoceh bhw itu salah syaithon yg bikin dia merkosa, logika > > >ini sejalan dgn logika si Abbas Amin yg bilang orang Islam yg ngebantai > > >sesama muslim itu bukan Islam, logika unt nutup2in kebejadan Islam. > > > > > >Apa si johny_indon akan ngasih daftar usang dr pastor2 bejad sementara > > >berita baru ttg kebejadan orang2 Islam terus bermunculan? > > > > > >Kayaknya si johny_indon sekarang cuma bisa kaing2 ga keruan kayak anjing > > >kejepit buntut, udah ga berkutik krn pengakuannya bhw aulohnya itu adalah > > >tukang tipu. Dlm hal ini, gua hrs muji si johny_indon yg berani ngaku > > >auloh adalah tukang tipu, hehehe... > > > > > >http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/devil-played-with-my-head-says-teacher-accused-of-rape > > > > > >'Devil played with my head', says teacher accused of rape > > >Salam Al Amir > > >Sep 24, 2012 > > > > > >DUBAI // A Quran teacher told a policeman he raped a four-year-old boy > > >because "the devil played with my head", a court heard today. > > > > > >Prosecutors told the Criminal Court that the Bangladeshi HM, 24, was > > >employed to give lessons to the children of four families who share a > > >villa in Al Hamriya. > > > > > >The Pakistani boy's father, 30-year-old ME, > > >said the lessons took place in the villa's kitchen after Maghrib prayer > > >for an hour every day except Thursdays and Fridays and that his son had > > >been taking part in them for two months before the rape occured on July > > >18 this year. > > > > > >Following that day's lesson, "My son came back to > > >our room very frightened," said the boy's 25-year-old mother, SE. She > > >said that when she asked him why he was afraid, he told her the teacher > > >had ripped his trousers off and hurt him. The boy described the rape to > > >her and said that it hurt him so much that at one point the teacher > > >stopped and began touching him with his hand instead. > > > > > >The mother told the boy's father and uncle who then caught the teacher and > > >took him to the police station. > > > > > >AA, a 45-year-old Yemeni policeman, said that when interrogated the > > >teacher admitted raping the child, saying: "I was wrong and the devil > > >played > > >with my head." > > > > > >A forensics report confirmed the boy had been raped and found traces of > > >the teacher's DNA on his body. > > > > > >The boy told prosecutors that the teacher had molested him with his hand > > >twice before. > > > > > >The teacher faces the death penalty if found guilty. He did not enter a > > >plea when he appeared in the court. The case was adjourned to October 14 > > >while the court assigns a lawyer to defend him. > > > > > >salamir@ > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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