Satu benang merah yg bisa diambil dari orang2 macam si goblog woro, jusfiq, mus dan kimhook .... mereka anggap agama sbg mainan dan menistakan hati nuraninya sendiri. Memang sebuah kondisi yg nyata dari sekumpulan manusia2 gagal dalam bersosialisai. Ngeliat cara si koplok woro dalam menyikapi perbedaan agama, saya bisa karikuturkan ni orang sbg manusia yg dilahirkan dari kawin campur simpanse dan gorila ... gobloknya nurun dari simpanse ... buasnya dalam menyikapi perbedaan agama nurun dari gorila yg haus nyawa. Komiknya pasti laku wo. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "woroskcjan006" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kalau kita lihat gambar2 kartun yg menghebohkan tsb > memang tujuannya untuk menyindir umat Islam, atau > kalau umat Islam memang terhina memang tujuannya > memang untuk menghina Islam. Atau kalau umat Islam > menganggap gambar tsb adalah luapan kebencian terhadap > Islam, memang sebetulnya adalah luapan kebencian > terhadap Islam. Tetapi ...... ada tetapinya ....... > > Pada dasarnya gambar2 tsb adalah pengamatan terhadap > kelakuan umat Islam sendiri. Pembuatnya jelas2 tidak > mengarang gambar tsb menurut imaginasinya sendiri. > Gambar2 tersebut terinspirasi oleh tindakan sebagian > umat Islam yang bertindak membabi buta dengan > mengatas namakan agama Islam dan Tuhannya. Sedangkan > umat Islam lainnya berusaha membantah dengan seribu > alasan atau diam seribu bahasa. Ini menandakan > bahwa tindakan keji yang mengatas namakan Islam > dan Allahnya sebetulnya diamini oleh umat > Islam lainnya. Bukannya mengutarakan penyesalan atas > kekejian yang berlangsung, tapi malah sibuk mencari > pembenaran diri. > Tak pernah kita dengar dari negara2 Islam rasa > penyesalan dan duka atas petaka bom bunuh diri. > > Media barat dengan kebebasan ekspresinya hanya > menyatakan apa yang mereka lihat dan saksikan > secara jujur. > > Sebetulnya pelecehan terhadap suatu agama memang > sangat memprihatinkan, tetapi kalau didiamkan terus > ternyata umat yang bersangkutan tidak juga mengerti > saya kira itu salah satu jalan terbaik. > > > > > On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:38:16 +0700 (ICT) > PAREWA PAREWA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Memang kenyataannya begitu seperti yg dimuat di dalam > >Bible sendiri. Jadi kalau kenyataan yg ditayangkan itu > >kebenaran. Orang kristen ngga berhak protes. Apa yg mau > >diprotes, mau memprotes Bible? Baca tuh: > > > > "Lalu Pilatus mengambil Yesus dan menyuruh orang > >menyesah Dia. Prajurit-prajurit menganyam sebuah mahkota > >duri dan menaruhnya di atas kepala-Nya. Mereka memakaikan > >Dia jubah ungu, dan sambil maju ke depan mereka berkata: > >"Salam, hai raja orang Yahudi!" Lalu mereka menampar > >muka-Nya" (Yohanes 19: 1-3) > > > > "Mereka memukul kepala-Nya dengan buluh, dan > >meludahi-Nya dan berlutut menyembahNya. Sesudah > >mengolok-olokan Dia mereka menanggalkan jubah ungu itu > >dari pada-Nya dan mengenakan pakaian-Nya kepada-Nya" > >(Markus 15: 19-20a) > > > > > > Jusfiq Hadjar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis: > > Inilah yang saya hargai di dunia Nasrani... > > > > Menurut hampir semua orang Nasrani, kata akhir, hak > >untuk > > menghakimi ada di tangan Yesus... > > > > Artinya, menurut pemahaman Nasrani, ditangan Tuhan. > > > > Manusia boleh menyatakan pendapat, 'menjadi garam > >didunia", tapi > > menghakimi (dan menghukum) orang yang mengeluarkan > >pendapat > > tentang Yesus atau Bible bukan urusan manusia. > > > > Di dunia Islam tipikal (dalam hal ini Jemaah > >Ahmadiyah dan > > beberapa kelompok Islam lain tidak termasuk) mereka > >suka > > menghunus pedang kalau ada yang ngomong tentang Allah > >atau > > Muhammad berbeda dari yang dipahaminya. > > > > Kita lihat sekarang, hanya karena ada dua belas > >kartun yang > > disiarkan oleh koran Denemark, geger hampir seluruh > >dunia Islam. > > > > Saya ulang: dunia Nasrani itu jauh lebih manusiawi > >dan lebih > > cerdas dari dunia Islam. > > > > > > On 3 Feb 06, at 9:33, pemerhatidunia wrote: > > > >> Ya, cara menanganinya itu beda. Nasrani jauh lebih baik, > >>meskipun > >> kadang terlalu pasif dan payah. > >> > >> Jesus mengatakan bahwa ADA Allah yang akan menghakimi > >>dengan caraNya > >> sendiri. Penghakiman itu milik Allah, kata Jesus. > >> > >> Tetapi menyatakan pembelaan jika Jesus difitnah atau > >>dihina tidak > >> semestinya itu HUKUMNYA WAJIB dan pahalanya jelas. Siapa > >>malu mengakui > >> aku di depan manusia, kata Jesus, Jesus juga akan malu > >>membela dia > >> juga di pengadilan terakhir nanti. > >> > >> biarlah kebenaran tetap kebenaran. biar kebenaran tetap > >>bersinar > >> sebagai kebenaran. > >> > >> Jangan lampu itu ditaruh di bawah gantang , biarkan dia > >>diatas, > >> menerangi semua orang. > >> > >> Jadilah garam dan terang dunia. Garam yg tidak kelihatan > >>tapi > >> terasa, dan terang yg bersinar jelas menerangi > >>kegelapan. > >> > >> pemdun > >> > >> > >> --- In islamkristen@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq Hadjar" > >><hadjar@> > >> wrote: > > On 3 Feb 06, at 8:09, Bima Sakti wrote: > > > > >>Mutiara dalam > >> lumpur tetap saja mutiara... > > > > Jika gambar YESUS > >>diludahi, > >> dikemcingi itu hanyalah gambar, silahkan > > saja sekali > >>itu hanya > >> gambar bukan wujud sebenarnya dari YESUS, ini > > tidak > >>akan > >> mempengaruhi YESUS sebagai Allah. > > > > > Inilah, > >>antara lain, > >> beda orang Nasrani dan Islam sekarang. > > Orang > >>Nasrani mengakui > >> dan menghormati freedom of speech... > > Jadi gambar > >>Yesus > >> diludahi atau dikencingi paling-paling ada > yang > >>protes.. . > > > >> Itupun tidak banyak. > > Orang Islam melihat > >>kartun Muhammad > >> itu duh sewotnya... > > Di Timur Tengah, di > >>Pakistan, di > >> Indonesia... > > Sembari ada yang main ancam... > > > >> Nyata > >> benar bedanya bukan? > > > > > Umat kristen tidak akan > >>marah dan > >> melawan, tapi YESUS yang > > sebenarnya ada dalam diri > >>orang kristen > >> yang hidup sungguh-2 > > melakukan FirmanNya. > > > > > >>Yohanes 15:25 > >> Tetapi firman yang ada tertulis dalam kitab Taurat > > > >>mereka harus > >> digenapi: Mereka membenci Aku tanpa alasan. > > > > > >>Disinilah keunikan > >> YESUS, orang atau golongan di dunia ini semakin > > > >>banyak yang > >> membenci YESUS, justru disitu adanya KEBENARAN AKAN > >>FIRMAN > > TUHAN. > >> > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In > >>islamkristen@yahoogroups.com, > >> cahyo_prihartono@ wrote: > > > > > > kultus > >>individu..... bukan?? > > > >> > > > > ini mirip bocah kecil kristen yang bangga dengan > >>gambar JEsus > >> di > > > kamarnya... lalu dia nanya ke muslim kecil : > >>mana tuhan > >> orang > > Islam koq > > > gak bisa dipegang seperti > >>JEsus? > > > > > > > >> Untung si muslim kecil cukup toleran gak bilang : Tuhan > >>Islam gak > > > >> bisa > > > dirobek dan dikencingin macam tuhan > >>Jesus-mu.... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "justjoiningthetribes" > >> <justjoiningthetribe@>@yahoogroups.com on > > > > >>02/03/2006 09:39:19 AM > >> Dan orang2 kristen tipikal di milis ini cuma > > > bisa > >>mencibir dalam > >> ketidaktahuan dan ketidakmengertiannya > > > > > > Nabi > >>Muhammad jelek > >> katanya > > > > > > Nabi Muhammad gundul kata tipikal > >>yang lain > > > > >> > > > Padahal, kalo mereka tahu, sosok physical Nabi > >>Muhammad itu > >> secara > > > fisik sangat jelas dan clear .... > > > > > > >>> Tidak ada > >> kekurangan fisik dan kelemahan fisik apapun > > > > > > > >>Beliau justru > >> dilukiskan sebagai lelaki gagah dan tampan di banyak > > > >>> hadith yang > >> diriwayatkan oleh para sahabat beliau > > > > > > Tapi > >>seperti yang > >> dikatakan Sdrku. PAREWA PAREWA, Islam itu > > > > >>membebaskan manusia > >> dari personalisasi tokoh menuju .... (sori saya > > > > >>lupa istilahnya) > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > >> islamkristen@yahoogroups.com, claire hills > >><cleartruetoall@> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > No comment-lah buat Mr.Bush and the > >>gang. Capek. > > >> > > Sedikit tentang masalah kartun nabi Muhammad: > > > > >>Yang jadi > >> masalah besar bukan cuma karena penggambaran nabi dan > > >>> Allah > > > > >> dianggap tabu oleh kaum muslim karena bisa mempengaruhi > >>aqidah > > > >> (dalam > > > islam nabi dan Allah itu tidak sama dengan > >>bintang film > >> dan > > penyanyi > > > tenar yang poster dan gambarnya > >>bisa dibawa > >> kemana-mana dan > > digantung > > > dimana-mana, supaya > >>bisa > >> dipelototi siang malam kalau mau) - > > seperti > > > > >>kebiasaan dalam > >> agama lain. > > > > > > Yang terutama menjadi masalah > >>adalah pesan > >> yang disampaikan oleh > > > pelukis/atau siapapun yang > >>menciptakan > >> gambar itu kepada kaum > > muslim. > > > Apa pesan yang > >>disampaikan? > >> 'KAMI SANGAT BENCI DAN TIDAK SUKA > > KEPADA > > > > >>KALIAN!' Itulah > >> yang disampaikan oleh siapapun yang > > > > >>melukis/menggambar, > >> misalnya: Muhammad sedang disiksa dineraka, > > > > >>Muhammad sedang > >> membawa bom, Muhammad sedang menginjak bola dunia > > > > >>dengan senjata > >> ditangan dll (ini juga dilakukan oleh pihak gereja > > > > >>dengan > >> memajang lukisan yang sama, padahal kalau untuk konsumsi > >>> > dunia > > > >> > luar propagandanya cinta kasih- bandingkan dengan > >>mejid yang tak > > > >> > satupun menghinakan nabi Isa, jangankan mesjid, > >>Al-Qur'an sendiri > > >> > > sangat memuliakan nabi Isa dan nabi lainnya, hanya > >>pihak kristen > > >> > yang > > > suka menghujat Muhammad, hal yang sama > >>tidak pernah > >> dilakukan > > otoritas > > > islam). > > > > > > Masalah > >>ini, bukan > >> masalah kebebasan mengemukakan pendapat, > > kebebasan > > >>> > > >> berekspresi ataupun nonsense lainnnya yang biasa dipakai > >>> > oleh > >> 'freedom > > > fighters' untuk membenarkan tindakan > >>mereka yang penuh > >> kebencian, > > yang > > > sangat wajar kalau kemudian > >>membuat pihak > >> lain yang menjadi korban > > > kebebasan mereka > >>berekspresi menjadi > >> tersinggung.Bayangkan kalau > > > tetangga anda yang > >>seorang pelukis > >> dan penerbit, melukis dan > > > menerbitkan > >>gambar-gambar bugil ayah > >> dan ibu anda yang sedang > > > melakukan adegan-adegan > >>panas, padahal > >> dalam keluarga anda orang > > tua > > > memiliki > >>kedudukan yang sangat > >> terhormat, serta masalah seks > > merupakan > > > hal > >>yang tabu untuk > >> dibicarakan. Bagaimana perasaan anda? Saya rasa > > > > >>anda pasti akan > >> merasa kalau si tetangga itu sangat tidak > > > >>menghormati > > > kedua > >> orang tua anda, juga sangat tidak menyukai anda > >>sekeluarga > > > > >> karena sampai hati melukis dan menerbitkan gambar > >>tersebut. Lain > > > > >> ceritanya, kalau gambar-gambar tersebut hanya disimpan > >>dirumah > > > > >> sendiri, tidak disebarluaskan dan membuat anda > >>sekeluarga merasa > > > >> malu > > > dan tersinggung. > > > > > > Intinya: seperti > >>tadi diatas, > >> ini bukan masalah kebebasan > > berekspresi. > > > > >>Masalahnya mereka > >> mengekspresikan dengan jelas kebenciannya > > terhadap > > >>> > Islam > >> secara terbuka. Lihat kasus iran dan pernyataan > >>presidennya > > > > >> tentang israel. Heboh, terjadi bukan karena apa yang dia > >>katakan > > > > >> merupakan hal yang baru, karena itu merupakan menu > >>harian di iran. > > > >> > Yang menjadi masalah, dunia melihat dan mendengar. > >>Lain ceritanya > > >> > > kalau tidak ada yang tahu dan tersinggung. Sekali > >>lagi: dimana > > > >> > kebebasan berbicara dan berekspresi kalau begitu? > > > >>> > > > > >> Jawabannya mudah: anda boleh bebas melalukan/tidak > >>melakukan, > > > > >> mengatakan/tidak mengatakan apapun juga, selama hal itu > >>tidak > > > > >> menyinggung pihak lain. Selama anda hidup di dunia ini, > >>selama anda > > >> > > hanya seorang manusia, maka anda tidak memiliki > >>kebasan mutlak! > > >> > Tidak > > > ada yang mutlak atau absolut! Masih ada > >>orang lain yang > >> perasaan > > dan > > > norma-normanya harus anda > >>perhatikan. Itu kalau > >> memang anda ingin > > > hidup damai dan harmonis dengan > >>orang lain. > >> Tapi kalau yang ingin > > anda > > > lakukan adalah > >>melampiaskan > >> kebencian, atau memuaskan nafsu sendiri > > > saja, maka > >>tak akan ada > >> perdamaian, karena keinginan anda akan > > > berbenturan > >>dengan > >> kepentingan orang lain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> pemerhatidunia <pemerhatidunia@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Inilah Almasih > >> Addajal , menggunakan perang dan perang dan > > perang > > >>> > untuk > >> mencapai tujuannya ... > > > Coba kalau itu dipakai > >>untuk > >> kemanusiaan, untuk membantu > > negara2 > > > Islam, > >>tidak akan > >> spt ini dunia ini. > > > > > > Sementara itu dunia > >>Islam dan Eropa > >> sedang musuhan berat karena > > > masalah kartun > >>Muhammad (ya > >> memang kelewatan sih gambarnya, > > tapi > > > > >> orang2 barat itu > >> sering menghina Jesus dengan kartun juga, > > kartun > > > >>> Jesus > >> homo lah, Jesus telanjang lah, dll..) > > > > > > > > > > >> Google > >> News > > > Bush to request another $120 billion for > >>wars > > > > >> Belleville News-Democrat - 44 minutes ago > > > By > >>Ron Hutcheson. > >> WASHINGTON - President Bush soon will ask > > Congress > > >>> > for > >> another $120 billion for the wars in Iraq and > >>Afghanistan, > > > > >> bringing their total cost so far to about $440 billion. > >>That's > > > > >> enough to buy General Motors Corp. ... Bush Wants $120 > >>Billion > > > > >> More For Wars HomeTown channel.com UPDATE 1-Bush > >>seeks emergency > > >> > > funds for wars, hurricanes > > Reuters > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> NOSTRADAMUS DAN PERANG DUNIA III > > > > > > Bom > >>waktu dunia ini > >> sedang akan meledak. > > > > > > Akankah terjadi > >>ramalan > >> Nostradamus ttg PD III, dimana nanti > > China > > > > >> akan ikut > >> berperang juga ?? ramalan Nostradamus sudah terbukti > > > >>ada > > > > >> benarnya, lihat di bawah ini: > > > > > > > >> http://ww-iii.netfirms.com/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > >> WW III > > > >> > NOSTRADAMUS > > > > > > Here are the sequence > >>of the events > >> leading to the Third World > > War > > > and taking > >>place during > >> the war, based on the quatrains of > > > Nostradamus > >>and similar > >> prophecies of other people. > > Eventually, the > > > > >> events may > >> turn out to be very different. The comments below > > > >>the > > > > >> quatrains are based on the current geopolitical scenario > >>but > > some > >> > > > events which are not commensurate with the > >>current situation > >> > > may > > > unfold later on. I will try to update > >>as the > >> situation changes. > > > [I.63] Pestilences > >>extinguished, the > >> world becomes smaller, > > for a > > > long time the > >>lands will be > >> inhabited peacefully. People will > > travel > > > > >> safely through > >> the sky, land and seas : then wars will start > > up > >>again > > > > > > > >> This quatrain is considered to be the quatrain which > >>indicate > > > >> the > > > start of WW-III. The scenario described in > >>this quatrain > >> is > > > definitely a modern world scenario as is > >>describes air > >> travel. > > Air > > > travel became commercially > >>available only > >> after WW-II. World > > is a > > > small place now > >>with ease of > >> communications. Antibiotics > > helped man > > > to > >>get rid of > >> many incurable diseases. But, Nostradamus says, > > wars > >>> > > > >> will start up again. Alternatively, this might describe > >>a > > period > >> of > > > unparalleled peace predicted after WW-III > >>when the Great > >> > > Monarch > > > will reign, till the "End of the > >>World". > > > > > >> > > [IV.32] In those times and places that meat > >>gives way to fish > >> > > the > > > law of commune will be opposed. The > >>old order will > >> hold > > strong, then > > > removed from the scene, > >>then all > >> things common among friends > > put far > > > behind > >>> > > > > > > >> We have already seen this prophecy coming true. During > >>the > > early > >> > > > 1990s in Soviet Union and Communist Europe (in > >>those times > >> and > > > places), when the economic condition in > >>these countries > >> > > deteriorated > > > (meat gave way to fish), > >>Communism (the law > >> of commune) was > > opposed > > > by the people. The > >>old leaders > >> indeed tried to hold on but > > > ultimately were > >>removed from > >> powers. Ultimately Communism (all > > > things > >>common among > >> friends - equality among friends - > > comrades) > > > > >> collapsed. > >> This prophecy was understood even before its > > > > >> accomplishment > >> by many interpreters. But the instability > > caused by > >>> > > > >> collapse of USSR and the resulting unipolar world may > > >>> indirectly > >> be > > > the cause of the next great war. > > > > > > >>> [X.72] > >> The year 1999 and September month, from the sky will > > > >>come the > > > >> > great King of Terror. He will awaken the great > >>king of the > > > > >> Angolmois. Before and after Mars to reign by good > >>luck. > > > > > > >> > On 11th September 2001, terrorists crashed three > >>jumbo jets on > > >> > the > > > World Trade Center twin towers in New > >>York and on > >> Pentagon > > bringing > > > the towers down and > >>causing damage to > >> the Pentagon in the > > biggest > > > ever terror > >>attack this > >> world has seen. "King of Terror", the > > > ultimate > >>form of > >> terrorism indeed came from the sky that day. > > The > > > >>> date on > >> which this event took place was two years after 1999 > > > >>but the > > > > >> quatrain describes the rest of the events > >>wonderfully. It is > > > >> said > > > that prophesized dates often do not come > >>true as the > >> exact > > time of > > > any event depends on human > >>free will. > >> "King of Angolmois", > > probably > > > means the > >>King of America > >> (Anglomois?) i.e the US President, who > > > > >> "awakened" to the > >> scourge of terrorism and started > > his "War on > > > > >> Terror". > >> USA had good luck in the wars (Mars - the God of War) > > >>> that > > > > >> followed in Afghanistan and in Iraq. > > > > > > > >> [IX.55] The > >> horrible war which is being prepared in the West, > > > >>The > > > > >> following year will come the pestilence So very horrible > >>that > > > >> young, > > > old, nor beast (will survive), Blood, > >>fire Mercury, > >> Mars, > > Jupiter in > > > France. > > > > > > > >> The attack > >> against Iraq by USA, Britain and the western > > > >>coalition > > > > >> forces, opposed by most Islamic countries, might turn > >>out to > > be > >> the > > > precursor to the WW-III and will obviously > >>be a war > >> "prepared > > in the > > > West". Nostradamus says > >>that in the > >> following year, (2004?) > > > pestilence will > >>spread. This may > >> point to a possible terrorist > > > attack on the > >>USA and other > >> allied countries in the following > > year, > > > > >> this time using > >> Biological, Chemical or Radiological weapons > > of mass > >>> > > > >> destruction. The attack is likely to be on a gigantic > > >>> proportion, > >> > > > leading to deaths in thousands. Maybe Anthrax > >>and/or other > > >> > > Biological Warfare agents will spread out of > >>control, in such > >> a > > > manner that people - young and old and also > >>animals will > >> die. > > > Anthrax infects human and animals alike. > >>> > > > > > > >> However, if we go by the astrological configuration > >>provided > > in > >> this > > > quatrain and interpret "Blood, fire, > >>Mercury, Mars, > >> Jupiter in > > > France" as meaning that Mercury, > >>Mars and Jupiter > >> will be in > > the > > > same constellation, then we > >>can find that > >> all these planets > > will be > > > in Virgo in > >>September 2004, > >> Libra in November 2006 and > > Scorpius in > > > > >> December 2006. > >> These planets will again be conjoined in > > Sagittarius > >>> > > in > >> December 2008, in Capricorn in February 2009 and in > >>Pisces > > in > > > >> > April 2011. So, this is by no means a rare > >>conjunction and no > > >> > > specific time period can be derived from this > >>quatrain alone, > >> > > unless > > > there is a different interpretation > >>for the last > >> line. > > > > > > [II.62] Mabus then will then soon > >>die, there > >> will come of > > people and > > > beasts a horrible > >>rout: Then > >> suddenly one will see vengeance, > > > hundred, > >>hand, thirst, > >> hunger when the comet will run. > > > > > > The > >>question is who is > >> Mabus? There are two interpretations > > doing > > > > >> rounds these > >> days. 1. If we unscramble the word, we can write > > it > >>> > > as > >> "Usamb" very close to "Usama bin" the actual > >>pronunciation > > in > > > >> > Arabic of what we call Osama. It seems to indicate > >>that Osama > > >> > bin > > > Laden will die, probably due to bombing > >>or due to > >> attack of > > ground > > > forces or even by suicide > >>after being > >> cornered. He may never be > > > captured alive by > >>USA. 2. Some > >> say, Mabus is Saddam (read > > backwards, > > > it > >>spells "sudam" > >> after some alteration). The "horrible rout" > > of > > > > >> people as > >> well as beasts indicate not death due to war but due > > > >>to > > > > >> some disease. This might be the same event described in > >>the > > IX.55, > >> > > > the death of people and animals due to Anthrax > >>or other > > > >> Weapons of > > > Mass Destruction which will spread > >>like wildfire. > >> "Then > > suddenly one > > > will see vengeance" - > >>vengeance by > >> whom? Most likely by the > > Islamic > > > > >> terrorists to avenge > >> Osama's or Saddam's death and USA's war > > against > > > >>> terror > >> in Afghanistan and Iraq. There will be another sudden > > >>> and > > > > >> widespread terrorist attack. The nature of this attack > >>is not > > > > >> mentioned [Sollog, the modern time controversial > >>prophet said, > > > > >> terrorists will explode suitcase nuclear weapons in > >>Israel (Tel > > >> > > Aviv), USA (Washington DC) and Europe (Rome)]. > >>The repeated > > >> > threats > > > of Osama and Mullah Omar comes to > >>mind. At the > >> same time a > > comet > > > will suddenly be seen in > >>the sky, > >> advancing towards the earth, > > and > > > > >> ultimately striking it, > >> resulting in devastation. It is > > possible > > > > >> that "Mabus" is > >> neither Osama nor Saddam but it might be the > > name of > >>> > > > >> some important Muslim leader e.g. Mohammad ABU Salem or > >>> > Mahammad > > >> > > Abbas (the new Prime Minister of Palestine) etc. > >>who dies just > >> > > > before WW-III starts. > > > > > > [VI.97] > >>The sky will > >> burn at 5 and 40 degrees, fire approaches > > the > > > > >> great New > >> City. Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up > > > >>when > > > > >> they want to have proof of the Normans > > > > > > > >> Probably this > >> quatrain describes a nuclear attack on the USA > > near > >>> > > the > >> New York city, which is at 40.5 degrees OR this might > > >>> describe > > > >> > the burning fragment of a comet which will strike > >>the earth > > > >> > (described later) during WW-III and probably the > >>New York city > > >> > too. > > > However, this is also a fairly accurate > >>description > >> of the > > attack on > > > the World Trade Center. > >>The connection > >> to the French is not > > clear > > > yet. The word > >>"proof" might > >> be related to the proof required > > for > > > > >> establishing > >> involvement of Osama Bin Laden in the September > > 11 > >>> > > > >> attack or the subsequent attack on USA using WMD and > >>such a > > proof > >> > > > will be provided by France. > > > > > > > >> [I.87] Volcanic > >> fire from the center of the earth will cause > > > > >> trembling > >> around the new city: Two great rocks will make war > > > >>for a > > > > >> long time. Then Arethusa will redden a new river. > > > > >>> > > This > >> may describe an earthquake in New York. The timing is > >>not > > > > >> definite. But the description of "two great rocks making > >>war" > > is > >> an > > > excellent explanation about how earthquakes > >>happen when > > >> > continental > > > shelfs around faults collide and > >>slide against > >> each other. > > > > > > [X.49] Garden of the World > >>near the New > >> City, in the road of > > the > > > hollow mountains. > >>It will be > >> seized and plunged in the tank, > > forced > > > to > >>drink water > >> poisoned with sulphur > > > > > > Probably describes > >>the terrorist > >> attack near New York (New > > City) at > > > > >> Manhattan island > >> where World Trade Center (hollow mountains) > > > > >> collapsed due to > >> a terrorist attack with hijacked planes. The > > > > >> resulting > >> debris and dust of asbestos and glass polluted the > > > >>whole > > > > >> of New York city. However, if a WMD attack on New York > >>takes > > > >> place, > > > this might also refer to that. "Garden > >>of the World > >> near the > > New > > > City" may refer either to > >>Central Park or > >> to New Jersey which > > is > > > called the "Garden > >>State". "in > >> the road of the hollow > > mountains." > > > is > >>further reference > >> of what Nostradamus might have envisioned > > of > > > > >> Central > >> Park's proximity to Manhattan. "It will be seized and > > >>> > > >> plunged into the tank" refers to an event of "great > > > >>catastrophe" > > >> > > perhaps terrorists plan to detonate a nuclear > >>bomb in Central > >> > > Park. > > > The final line, "forced to drink > >>water poisoned > >> with > > sulphur "is his > > > metaphor meaning > >>that the water > >> supply around the blast > > > zone, "Central Park" > >>is poisoned as > >> a result. (Thanks to Jim > > Torino > > > for this > >> interpretation.) > > > > > > [X.96] The Religion of > >>the name of > >> the seas will win out > > Against the > > > sect of > >>the son of > >> "Adaluncatif": The stubborn, lamented sect > > will > > > >>> be > >> afraid of the two wounded by A and A. > > > > > > > >> The religion of > >> the name of the seas may be "Hindu". The word > > Indian > >>> > > > >> came from the word Hindu and Indians call the Indian > > > >>Ocean "Hind > > >> > > Mahasagar (Ocean)" and India as "Hindustan", > >>literally meaning > >> > > the > > > land of the Hindus. No other major > >>religion has any > >> remote > > > connection in its name with any ocean. > >>"Adaluncatif" > >> - > > whatever or > > > whoever this is, this surely > >>is a Muslim > >> sounding name. The > > sect of > > > the son of > >>Adaluncatif is > >> then Islam. "The stubborn, lamented > > sect" - > > > > >> > >> Nostradamus's way of describing Islam). "A & A" - the > >>name of > > the > >> > > > person "Adaluncatif" contains these initial > >>alphabets. May > >> be > > some > > > thing like Acdun-al-Atif > >>(Abdul-al-Atif?) or > >> something close. > > What > > > is apparent is that > >>"Adaluncatif" > >> - a Muslim will carry out an > > > attack against > >>the people whose > >> religion is of the name of the > > seas > > > > >> (probably Hindus) > >> who, in turn, will then retaliate causing the > > > > >> Muslims to > >> fear them. This might indicate a future attack on > > > >>two > > > > >> senior Indian leaders by Islamic Terrorists, which will > >>injure > > the > >> > > > two leaders, but will fail to kill them. These > >>leaders will > >> > > then > > > order retaliatory attacks on > >>Pakistan, which will > >> cause fear > > among > > > them. Ultimately, India > >>will win the > >> war against Pakistan. > > > > > > [IX.83] Sun > >>twentieth of Taurus > >> the earth will tremble very > > > mightily, It will > >>ruin the great > >> theater filled: To darken and > > > trouble air, sky > >>and land, > >> then the infidel will call upon God > > and > > > > >> saints > > > > > > >> > A great earthquake will occur during the period > >>May-June and > > > >> will > > > ruin a great city. Could this be the > >>result of the > >> Comet- > > strike? The > > > air and sky can be > >>darkened because > >> of the dust which is > > generated > > > when the > >>fragments of the > >> comet strike earth. There is nothing > > to > > > > >> indicate the > >> exact year when it will take place. But the last > > > >>line > > > > >> associates this with some kind of holy war or jihad > >>maybe? This > > > > >> agrees with the general idea from other quatrains > >>that Eastern > > > >> > forces will attack Europe after the Comet-strike. > >>> > > > > > > >> [V.55] In the fortunate country of Arabia will be born > >>one > > > >> powerful > > > in the laws of Mahomet. He will > >>trouble Spain and > >> conquer > > Grenada > > > and most of Italy from the > >>sea > > > > > > >> > Envisages that an Arab leader will conquer Spain > >>and Italy, > > > >> coming > > > from the sea, during the war. This is > >>probably be the > >> leader > > who > > > will lead the Islamic > >>coalition. > > > > > > > >> [V.25] The Arab Prince Mars, Sun, Venus, Leo, The > >>rule of the > > > >> Church > > > will succumb by sea: Towards Persia > >>very nearly a > >> million men, > > the > > > true serpent will invade > >>Byzantium and > >> Egypt. > > > > > > The war on Iraq and its > >>occupation by the > >> western forces will > > > generate widespread > >>discontent in the > >> Arab world. As a result, > > the > > > pro-west > >>ruling royal > >> family in Saudi Arabia will be > > overthrown by a > > > > >> > >> charismatic leader, who himself will come from a Arab > >>royal > > > >> family. > > > (Osama bin Laden is also an Arab > >>prince). This will > >> unleash a > > chain > > > of events in the Arabic > >>and Islamic > >> world. Governments in two > > other > > > > >> pro-western countries, > >> Turkey and Egypt, will fall as a direct > > > result > >>of this event > >> and hardliners will come into power in > > these > > > > >> countries. > >> Similar thing will also happen in Iran, where the > > > > >> hardliners > >> will capture power following an invasion by the > > > >>Saudi > > > > >> Prince after toppling the govt. of Khatami, the present > >>> > President. > >> > > > Thus, in one stroke, the oil wealth of the > >>world will fall > >> in > > the > > > hands of Islamic hardliners along > >>with a huge > >> cache of > > conventional > > > and non-conventional > >>weapons > >> accumulated by Saudi Arabia, > > Egypt, > > > Turkey > >>and Iran over > >> the years, which is the nightmare > > scenario for > > > > >> USA and > >> the west. Shortly thereafter, the attack on Italy and > > >>> > > >> Vatican will take place by a fleet traveling across the > >>sea. > > This > >> > > > chain of events has also been described in the > >>Islamic > > > >> prophecies > > > (in the Hadeeths) too - Nafi' ibn > >>'Utbah said : > >> "The Prophet > > (S) > > > said, 'You will attack > >>Arabia, and > >> Allah will enable you to > > conquer > > > it. Then > >>you will > >> attack Persia, and Allah will enable you to > > > > >> conquer it. Then > >> you will attack Rome, and Allah will enable > > you to > > >>> > > >> conquer it. Then you will attack the Dajjal, and Allah > >>will > > enable > >> > > > you to conquer him.'" (Muslim.) > > > > > > > >> [IV.50] > >> Libra will be seen to reign in the West, holding the > > > >>rule > > > > >> over the skies and the earth. 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