--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "mangdeden1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "yasuaki_kurata05" > <yasuaki_kurata05@> wrote: > > > > Mang Deden boleh saja mengatakan bahwa anti Jews adalah kesalahan > > tapi kalau kita baca di majalah Sabili dan dan komentar sebagian > > tokoh Islam, terasa sekali anti yahudinya. Inul saja dihubung- > > hubungkan dengan yahudi. Dhani Ahmad yang Muslim juga dikorek- korek > > keturunan Yahudinya (entah benar atau nggak). Kalau yang > > dipersoalkan negara Israelnya sih saya maklum tapi apa-apa yang > > dianggap jahat kok selalu dilabeli Yahudi. > > Saya tulis itu supaya umat islam sadar kl labelisasi itu salah. Dan > benci thd yahudi adalah sebuah kesalahan, krn islam tidak membenarkan > kebencian tanpa sebab, krn ras, agama dll... ngerti?
Yas : Ngerti sih dan saya puji usaha Anda walaupun itu seperti memasukkan sebutir gula ke samudra. > > Anti Islam bukan skenario Mang. Ini karena mereka melihat dan > > merasakannya sendiri. Memang banyak sih umat Islam yang nggak > > beringas tapi adalah fakta juga bahwa demo anti karikatur di > > Pakistan, Nigeria, dan (sayangnya) Indonesia berakhir dengan > > keberingasan. Belum lagi keberingasan yang lain. > > Faktanya memang demikian, itu sebuah skenario. Krn teori dominasi yg dianut materialitis mendorong mereka supaya menjadi yg terkuat supaya bisa menguasai dunia. Kristen sudah kalah oleh dominasi kaum > materialis ini, mereka banyak yg hanya menengok gereja kl kawinan atau kl inget setesei ngelakuin dosa. Gereja makin sepi. > Tapi umat islam lain, mereka lebih memegang teguh pakem dan mempunyai > semangat agama, humanisme, keseimbangan sosial dll, yg lebih solid. > Beringas atau tidak itu tergantung banyak faktor. Dan orang barat > sudah mempunyai itung2an bagaimana reaksi umat islam kl nabinya dihina > sedemikian rupa. Liat aja kasus salman rushdie... dari sana bisa > dianalisa bagaimana reaksi yg terjadi kl terjadi sebuah kasus penodaan > thd islam. Beda halnya dgn reaksi thd film2 holiwud yg sering > ditayangin di indonesia; yg menampilkan etnis timur yg pake sorban > trus menjadi teroris/perampok ... reaksi umat islam biasa saja. > Kl kamu memancing kemarahan umat islam juga gampang, tinggal lu bikin > karikatur yg serupa supaya kelihatan dahysatnya reaksi umat islam. > Dan itu namanya sebuah skenaio. Yas : Kok jauh yak komentarnya ? Terus, apa nggak salah tuh Islam memegang teguh semangat humanisme ? Kapan umat islam menolong umat lain yang kesusahan dengan pertimbangan kemanusiaan ? Di Alor ? Nias ? Yahukimo ? Di Aceh saja pekerja sosial lebih banyak bulenya apalagi di wilayah non muslim. Mang, "external locus of control" membuat orang tidak tergerak untuk memperbaiki diri dan ini salah satu simptom rendah diri. Di atas tadi Mang Deden sudah bener, mengakui bahwa ada orang Islam yang pandangannya keliru dan rasis. Apa sih sulitnya mengakui bahwa ada perilaku yang salah di sebagian umat Islam sehingga Islam tampil sebagai sesuatu yang menakutkan ? Kok malah menganggap orang iri dengan Islamlah, skenario ini-itulah. > > Orang Barat itu nggak kaya kita di Indonesia yang selalu ngomongin > > agama Mang. Mereka sekuler, jadi agama adalah wilayah privat yang > > nggak ada hubungannya dengan cara berpakaian atau mata pelajaran di > > sekolah. Jadi, mereka nggak akan peduli seperti apa ajaran Islam. > > Islam yang mereka pahami adalah apa yang terlihat. Makanya, kalau > > mau memperbaiki citra Islam, lebih baik perbaiki perilaku umatnya. > > Menyodorkan ayat tidak akan efektif. > > > Saya lebih tau itu daripada kamu. Saya jarang bawa ayat2 di sini. > Kapan saya bawa ayat2? Yas : Pujian kedua buat Mang Deden. Selama ini kalau ada yang bilang islam identik dengan kekerasan, bom bunuh diri, dsb pasti aja yang dikeluarin ayat ini-itu, hadits begini-begitu. Saya sampai hapal hadits yang cerita Nabi menyuapi yahudi yang setiap hari mencaci- maki dia tapi yang saya lihat sehari-hari justru : "Allahu Akbar, Bakar !! Usir !! hancurkan !!" Yas > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "mangdeden1" <mangdeden1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anti islam adalah hasil skenario. > > > Tapi anti semit (maksudnya anti jews kali ya?), itu juga sebuah > > > kesalahan. karena manusia pada dasarnya dibikin sama Tuhan sama > > > sederajat. > > > Kalo anti-zionis.... itu adalah sebuah keniscayaan. Manusia normal > > > mestinya harus mewaspadai gerakan zionis ini. Tapi celakanya, > > orang > > > yg anti zionis, seringkali dikasih stigma - juga sbg anti jews. > > > > > > NB: Bangsa yahudi itu kan turunan arab juga, yg nomaden ke tanah > > > palestina di ajak sama Nabi Ibrahim. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Holy Uncle" <holyuncle@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Anti- Islam Begins To Replace Anti- Semitism In Western World, > > Gul > > > > Published: 2/25/2006 > > > > > > > > ANKARA - ''Anti-Islam began to replace Anti-Semitism in Western > > > world and > > > > preventive legal precautions on this are not sufficient,'' > > Turkish > > > Foreign > > > > Minister & Deputy Prime Minister Abdullah Gul said on Wednesday > > while > > > > meeting members of Parliamentary Human Rights Commission. > > > > Gul stated that Turkey gradually reinforced its reforms and > > started > > > to meet > > > > Copenhagen political criteria with the reforms fulfilled in the > > past 4 > > > > years. > > > > > > > > ''We are all proud of Turkey's current position. All those > > reforms > > > were made > > > > as our nation deserved them. They have not been made to satisfy > > the > > > circles > > > > outside Turkey,'' Gul noted. > > > > > > > > ''Important developments have been occurring in the world. > > > Globalization has > > > > risks as well as its advantages. There are many dangerous > > developments > > > > recently. Cartoon crisis is one of them. We have regarded the > > > reactions as > > > > efforts to undermine efforts among societies to for a better > > > compromise and > > > > solidarity. Unfortunately, there were ugly attacks. Freedom of > > press is > > > > certainly the principle of democracies and open society. We are > > > trying to > > > > make freedom of speech prevail all over the world,'' Gul said. > > > > > > > > ''However, while we defend freedom of expression, we underscore > > that it > > > > absolutely does not mean an attack and insult on religions, > > beliefs and > > > > identities of people. Some see it as a contradiction. Freedom of > > > press and > > > > expression are complementary elements,'' he emphasized. > > > > > > > > Gul indicated that this crisis could be prevented if only the > > > related people > > > > had acted with prudence, ''politicians and intellectuals in some > > > European > > > > countries acted cautiously and said freedom of press does not > > mean > > > > disrespect to beliefs of others. Incidents could be prevented in > > those > > > > countries before reaching to serious dimensions.'' he said. > > > > > > > > ''The crisis escalated dangerously in some countries. This was > > > something > > > > which some people desired,'' he stated. > > > > > > > > Gul emphasized that reactions should take place in a legal way, > > > adding ''if > > > > overreactions occur and incidents turn into violence, then > > rightful > > > > reactions would turn to unjust reactions. Burning the flags of > > other > > > > countries and insult on ambassadors are wrong.'' > > > > > > > > ''Turkey is in close contact with the OIC. EU also exerts > > efforts. EU > > > > President Austria's Foreign Minister talked to me and other > > > ministers,'' Gul > > > > said, noting that, ''unfortunately, Anti-Islam began to replace > > > > Anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism, Christianity enmity and attack on > > > churches are > > > > forbidden in many European countries. We say it is necessary to > > include > > > > Islam and other countries inside this,'' Gul said. > > > > > > > > Stating that 20 million Muslims were living in Europe and that > > there > > > was > > > > Turkish population in Europe, Gul said, ''escalation of incidents > > > brings > > > > onto agenda discrimination and open or secret wrong > > implementations > > > against > > > > them. If this escalates reciprocally, the world faces with more > > threat. > > > > Prudent leaders, media organs and state executives should be very > > > careful > > > > and call the world to calmness and moderation. Respect to human > > > rights and > > > > democracy believing in democracy, freedom of religion are > > universal > > > > values.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=109782 > > > > > > > > > > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
