*THOSE LOVING CHRISTIANS!* * **Words of Martin Luther **1** & John Calvin* *2*
*(Were not these "real" Christians?)* * * *ON THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES* *By Martin Luther - 1543* *What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?*Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, *we can not tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy*. In this way we cannot quench the inextinguishable fire of divine rage nor convert the Jews. We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. Perhaps we may save a few from the fire and flames [of hell]. We must not seek vengeance. They are surely being punished a thousand times more than we might wish them. Let me give you my honest advice. *First, their synagogues should be set on fire*, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians. *Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed.* For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing. *Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught*. *Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...* *Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews.* For they have no business in the rural districts since they are not nobles, nor officials, nor merchants, nor the like. Let them stay at home...If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination... To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and *we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews...* Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew. When you lay eyes on or think of a Jew you must say to yourself: Alas, that mouth which I there behold has cursed and execrated and maligned every Saturday my dear Lord Jesus Christ, who has redeemed me with his precious blood; in addition, it prayed and pleaded before God that I, my wife and children, and all Christians might be stabbed to death and perish miserably. And he himself would gladly do this if he were able, in order to appropriate our goods... Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune. *I have read and heard many stories about the Jews* which agree with this judgment of Christ, *namely, how they have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnapped children*, as related before. I have heard that one Jew sent another Jew, and this by means of a Christian, a pot of blood, together with a barrel of wine, in which when drunk empty, a dead Jew was found. There are many other similar stories. For their kidnapping of children they have often been burned at the stake or banished (as we already heard). I am well aware that they deny all of this. However, *it all coincides with the judgment of Christ which declares that they are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil, who sting and work harm stealthily *wherever they cannot do it openly. For this reason, I would like to see them where there are no Christians. The Turks and other heathen do not tolerate what we Christians endure from *these venomous serpents and young devils...next to the devil, a Christian has no more bitter and galling foe than a Jew.* *There is no other to whom we accord as many benefactions and from whom we suffer as much as we do from these base children of the devil, this brood of vipers.* *OF THE UNKNOWABLE NAME AND THE GENERATIONS OF CHRIST * *By Martin Luther - 1543* But your [God's] judgment is right, justus es Dominie. *Yes, so shall Jews, but no one else be punished*, who held your word and miracles in contempt and ridiculed, insulted and damned it for such a long time without interruption, *so that they will* not fall, like other humans, heathens and all the others, into sin and death, not up in Hell, nor in the middle of Hell but *in the pit of Hell, as one cannot fall deeper...* *Even if they were punished in the most gruesome manner that the streets ran with their blood, that their dead would be counted, not in the hundred thousands, but in the millions, as happened under Vespasian in Jerusalem and for evil under Hadrian*, *still they must insist on being right even if after these 1,500 years *they were in misery another 1,500 years, still God must be a liar and they must be correct. In sum, *they are the devil's children, damned to Hell...* *The Jews too got what they deserved.* They had been called and elected to be God's mouth as Jeremiah says...Open your mouth wide and I will fill it; they however, kept tightly closed their muzzles, eyes, ears, nose, whole heart and all senses, so *he polluted and squirted them so full that it oozes from them in all places and devil's filth comes from them.* *Yes, that tastes good to them, into their hearts, they smack their lips like swine. That is how they want it. **Call more: 'Crucify him, crucify him.' Scream more: 'His blood come upon us and our children.'** (Matthew 27:25) I mean it came and found you...* Perhaps, one of the merciful Saints among us Christians may think I am behaving too crude and disdainfully against the poor, miserable Jews in that I deal with them so sarcastically and insulting. But, *good God, I am much too mild in insulting such devils.*.. ------------------------------ *A RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS OF A CERTAIN JEW **2* *By John Calvin* *Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and **that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.* Footnotes: 1. Translated by Martin H. Bertram, On The Jews and Their Lies, Luther's Works, Volume 47; Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971. 2. Excerpts from "Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi," By Martin Luther and an excerpt from "Ad Quaelstiones et Objecta Juaei Cuiusdam Responsio," by John Calvin; *The Jew in Christian Theology*, Gerhard Falk, McFarland and Company, Inc., Jefferson, NC and London, 1931. * * <http://../../cr/pages/ss_churc.html> --- Brief CV of Jusfiq Hadjar Jusfiq Hadjar, a christian, 66 years old, is an Indonesian living in the Netherlands. He currently lives together out of wed-lock with Marlene Van Doorn - a documentalist in African Studies Center (ASC) library - in Leiden. Jusfiq Hadjar has, thus far, succesfully deceived many NGOs into believing that he is a human rights activistist. One of the NGOs that has been trapped in his lies is a Muslim human rights group, the Movement against Racism and for Friendship among Peoples. Jusfiq Hadjar is very active in his campaigns against Islam and Muslims on the Internet, especially in several Indonesian mailing lists. He will spread massive amounts of offensive, slanderous, lying statements against Islam and Muslims day in and day out and at the same time claiming that he is a Muslim. Undoubtedly, Jusfiq Hadjar is one of those people who still thinks that adhering to a daily routine of cursing and swearing on the Internet would help to make him look intelligent and preserve his sanity. It shoots no wonder then if you find mosts of his writings on the Internet are just about cursing and swearing at Muslims and licking the ass of his christian friends. Jusfiq Hadjar has joined several mailing lists in order to spread his severe hatred against Islam and Muslim on the Internet: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/islamkristen/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apakabar/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minangnet/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/istiqlal/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/partai-keadilan/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ijtihad/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/partai-keadilan/> Marlene Van Doorn is very supportive of his life partner's evil activities on the Internet, and gives her financial support by providing him with meals, accomodation and Internet connection. He is also allegedly financed by Leiden church. He has no children. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe : [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/