Kalaulah ngga memakasa mengemis iya, terutama sejak convert dari tukang tambal 
ban jadi tukang kibul sekarang ini.

--- Pada Kam, 16/10/08, utusan.allah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
Dari: utusan.allah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Topik: [proletar] Re: Otak "SUruhan seTAN Marajalelo" telah rusak dan yang jadi 
busuk
Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 16 Oktober, 2008, 1:46 PM










    
            

Saya ulang:



"alifuru99" ini jelas tukang fitnah...



Tanpa bukti dia bilang saya pernah "meminta/memaksa atau dibantu oleh



gereja gereja untuk menopang hidup sutan ..."



--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, "alifuru99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:

>

> setuju.....

> awas SUTAN (suruhan setan) sedang marajolelo ...

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> PS. Orang ini otaknya sudah rusak dan membusuk... (komentar kaset

rusak dari Gaek Juspik)

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>   ----- Original Message ----- 

>   From: PAREWA PAREWA 

>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com 

>   Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:32 PM

>   Subject: Bls: [proletar] Otak "SUruhan seTAN Marajalelo" telah

rusak dan yang jadi busuk

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> 

>   Awas Setan ngejeplak

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>   --- Pada Rab, 15/10/08, utusan.allah <utusan.allah@ ...> menulis:

>   Dari: utusan.allah <utusan.allah@ ...>

>   Topik: Bls: [proletar] Otak "SUruhan seTAN Marajalelo" telah rusak

dan yang jadi busuk

>   Kepada: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com

>   Tanggal: Rabu, 15 Oktober, 2008, 7:28 PM

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>   Saya ulang:

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>   "alifuru99" ini jelas tukang fitnah...

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>   Tanpa bukti dia bilang saya pernah "meminta/memaksa atau dibantu oleh

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>   gereja gereja untuk menopang hidup sutan ..."

> 

>   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, PAREWA PAREWA <parewa70@ .> wrote:

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>   >

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>   > Ni si Setan ngomong

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>   > --- Pada Rab, 15/10/08, utusan.allah <utusan.allah@ ...> menulis:

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>   > Dari: utusan.allah <utusan.allah@ ...>

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>   > Topik: [proletar] Otak "SUruhan seTAN Marajalelo" telah rusak dan

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>   yang jadi busuk isinya.....Re: (

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>   > Kepada: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com

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>   > Tanggal: Rabu, 15 Oktober, 2008, 7:23 PM

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>   > "alifuru99" ini jelas tukang fitnah...

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>   > Tanpa bukti dia bilang saya pernah "meminta/memaksa atau dibantu

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>   > gereja gereja untuk menopang hidup sutan ..."

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>   > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, "alifuru99" <alifuru99@ ..> wrote:

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>   > > Saya tegaskan lagi : "Otak SUruhan seTAN marajolelo ini sudah

rusak,

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>   > membusuk dan mulai mengeras di beberapa bagian terutama yang terkait

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>   > dengan hal "keluhuran manusia".. sehingga isinya memaki-maki dan

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>   > memaksa orang untuk minta maaf untuk kebenaran yang dipikirnya itu

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>   > fitnah.....

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>   > > Orang beradab dan ber-adat tahu kapan berbicara benar dan kapan

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>   > harus meminta maaf... hanya "orang biadab" dan "tidak tahu adat"

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>   > selalu memaki-maki orang islam yang berbeda pendapat dengannya dan

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>   > selalu memaksa orang lain untuk minta maaf.

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>   > > sekarang pertanyaannya : apakah sutan tidak pernah meminta/memaksa

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>   > Hayooo... manusia jujur suka mengaku yang benar dan kudu minta

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>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 

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>   > > From: utusan.allah 

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>   > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:30 PM

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>   > > Subject: [proletar] Otak "alifuru99" yang telah rusak dan yang

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>   > jadi busuk isinya.....Re: (unknown)

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>   > > Orang yagnjujur akanmencabut fitnahnya itu danmengiringinya dengan

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>   > > "alifuru99" inijelas bukan manusia yang jujur...

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>   > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, "alifuru99" <alifuru99@> wrote:

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>   > > > wah.... harus minta maaf lagi nih angku suruhan setan....

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>   > > > tipikal suruhan setan marajolelo.. .

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>   > > > memaki-maki. .. terus disuruh minta maaf.....EMANG GUE

PIKIRAN...

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>   > > > ----- Original Message ----- 

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>   > > > From: utusan.allah 

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>   > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com 

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>   > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:32 PM

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>   > > > Subject: [proletar] Otak "alifuru99" yang telah rusak dan yang

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>   > > jadi busuk isinya.....Re: (unknown)

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>   > > > Otak "alifuru99" ini jelas sudah rusak dan sudah busuk: dia

pakai

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>   > > > kesempatan dia baca berita itu untuk menyebar fitnah tentang

diri

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>   > > > saya yang dikatakannnya menerima jatah dari gereja.

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>   > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, "alifuru99" <alifuru99@>

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>   > > > > wah .. ini betul-betul kegagalan total dari angku suruhan

setan

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>   > > > (sutan) marajolelo setelah berbelas tahun memaki-maki oang islam

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>   > bodoh

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>   > > > dan berusaha membuat mereka menjadi lebih jauh dari islam malah

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>   > > > setelah 5 tahun lebih setuju dengan aturan islam sementara angku

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>   > > > suruhan setan makin kuat maki-makiannya meskipun sebentar

lagi mau

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>   > > > masuk lubang kubur...

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>   > > > > jadi nggak salah komentar sutan... makin mengerikan.. . karena

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>   > > > dari gereja bakalan kena potong nih... makin lapar aja apalagi

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>   > > > sebentar lagi mau musim dingin... onde mande......takana

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>   > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 

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>   > > > > From: Jusfiq Hadjar 

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>   > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:29 PM

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>   > > > > Mujani in 2003 to conclude that the number of Islamists "is no

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population". In

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>   > > > > THE recent distribution in the US of about 28 million

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>   > > > has stirred heated debate about its contents. One lightning

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>   > > > criticism concerns my on-screen statement that "10 to 15 per

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>   > > > Muslims worldwide support militant Islam".

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>   > > > unsubstantiated" and "completely without evidence". Masoud

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>   > > > > First, though, an explanation of what I meant by Muslims who

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>   > > > totalistic, worldwide application of Islamic law, the sharia. In

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>   > > > > How much fervour: Gallup polled more than 50,000 Muslims

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>   > > > countries and found that, if one defines radicals as those who

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>   > > > > Gauge voter intentions: Elections measure Islamist sentiment

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>   > > > in 1999. The Islamic Movement's northern faction won 75 per

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>   > > > the vote in the Israeli Arab city of Umm al-Fahm in the 2003

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>   > > > Global Attitudes Project assesses support for suicide bombing.

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>   > > > Obaid, a Saudi security specialist, focuses on pro-Osama bin

Laden

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>   > > > views. Germany's domestic security agency, Bundesamt fur

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>   > > > Verfassungsschutz, counts membership in Islamist organisations.

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"Islamists who

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>   > > > Egyptians wish the sharia to be the only source of Islamic

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>   > > > > Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo

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