Gua pernah bilang bhw Quran itu jangan dibakar demi kepentingan lingkungan,
sebaiknya Quran itu dipake buat bersihin pantat atau dijadikan kompos aja dgn
dibuang ke tempat penimbunan taik
+Pucet anda bangkai hidup rupanya?perbuatan seperti ini
jelas2 akan memacu perang makin sengit dikawasan asia&afrika
saya pikir anda adalah orang yang berbudi luhur yang menggunakan kebebasan
sebagai idiologi dalam berpikir,ternyata salah dugaan saya.
Ternyata, hehehe... ahli Islam jg punya pendapat yg sama ttg kitab Taurat dan
Injil, biarpun dgn alasan yg berbeda.
+Nah anda tahu juga tentang itu tentu ada perbedaan dalam keragaman
itu sudah ribuan tahun lamanya,akan berhenti dengan sendiri nya asalkan
zombi2 seperti anda itu kembali ketempat semula dalam liang kubur kebohan
Apa ada satu ekor muslim yg berani protes atas omongan gua tsb?
+omongan yang mana?
Ngomong2, sehrsnya orang Islam itu cebok pake batu 3 biji sesuai dgn sunnah
nabi. Abis batunya dipake cebok, batunya itu bisa dipake buat nimpuk setan
waktu
jumroh (bener ga nih istilahnya).
+Islam sangat berbeda ajaran nya dengan agama besar lain
terutama dalam hal2 ber hubungan dengan kebersihan
ada tertulis "kebersihan adalah sebagian dari iman
sangat bagus,perlu dilestarikan oleh umat nya,tentu saat itu dipadang pasir
yang luas tak mudah untuk mendapat kan air untuk membersih kan anus
minum saja susah,batu yang digunakan bukan pasir,
apa jadinya kalau pakai pasir?tentu berbeda size nya
untuk ritual lempar setan menggunakan kerikil
sedang kan untuk kebersihan anus tentu sekepalan tangan
kalau habis dipakai langsung dikubur dibawah pasir
anda tidak pandai berpikir tentang kesehatan raga apalagi jiwa
orang primitif lebih sophiscated dari anda rupanya.
--- On Fri, 4/8/11, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [proletar] Istinja' with the Torah and New Testament
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 2:20 PM
Gua pernah bilang bhw Quran itu jangan dibakar demi kepentingan
lingkungan,
sebaiknya Quran itu dipake buat bersihin pantat atau dijadikan kompos aja dgn
dibuang ke tempat penimbunan taik.
Ternyata, hehehe... ahli Islam jg punya pendapat yg sama ttg kitab Taurat dan
Injil, biarpun dgn alasan yg berbeda.
Apa ada satu ekor muslim yg berani protes atas omongan gua tsb?
Ngomong2, sehrsnya orang Islam itu cebok pake batu 3 biji sesuai dgn sunnah
nabi. Abis batunya dipake cebok, batunya itu bisa dipake buat nimpuk setan
waktu
jumroh (bener ga nih istilahnya).
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament
Istinja' with the Torah and New Testament
by Daniel Pipes
September 21, 2010
My reference in a column today, "'Rushdie Rules' Reach Florida," included this
sentence: "A 2003 decree ruled the Bible suitable for use by Muslims when
cleaning after defecation." That allusion deserves further explanation.
The link above goes to Fatwa #40378 of The Encyclopedia of Fatwas (Arabic:
Mawsu'at al-Fatawi) on www.islamweb.net. Issued on November 23, 2003, it
contains the standard question-and-answer format of a fatwa and reads thus in
English translation:
Judgment: Despising the Torah or the New Testament
Question: "Does someone who insults the Torah or the New Testament engage in
apostasy, given that these include some words of God?"
Answer: "It would be impermissible to disdain the Torah and New Testament if
they contained the truth and the name of the exalted, such as the name of God
the Most High. Whoever does this [i.e., disrespect the books] knowingly and by
choice would be considered an apostate and would be despised by God. But [in
fact] the Torah and New Testament do not have anything exalted in them. They
are
known to have been corrupted, so there is no problem disdaining them.
Ash-Shams[ad-Din] Ar-Ramli [d.1004 A.D.] said in [his book of fiqh] Nihayat
al-Muhtaj: "It is impermissible to use respected books like those of hadith and
fiqh for anal cleansing after defecation (al-istinja',الأستنجاء ), but
non-respected books like philosophy, Torah and the New Testament, which are
known as corrupt and which do not contain exalted names, can be used for anal
cleansing after defecation."
Dena Milany's Facebook entry attacked the Koran and led to a fatwa against
her.
Interestingly, Fatwa #40378 is no longer posted at the Encyclopedia of Fatwas;
an announcement on its old page drably states that "There is no fatwa with this
number." The screen shot posted on my website, however, establishes that this
fatwa was once posted.
Fatwa #40378 appears to have been removed in late 2009, as a result of the Dena
Milany controversy. Milany, a German woman, posted the fatwa in English
translation and Arabic original, then posted a call on Facebook for a "koran
toilet paper roll," complete with graphic of such an item. Muslims demanded the
deletion of this page and the agitation reached to Egypt, where Sheikh Ali
Abu'l-Hasan, a former president of Al-Azhar University's Fatwa Committee,
published a fatwa (reported in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Yawm as-Sabi' on
September 27, 2009) in which he ordered the "shedding of [her] blood." Milany
responded by publicizing the above fatwa on her blog,
http://denamilany.blogspot.com.
Despite its removal, the fatwa remains valid. Taking it down from the website
does not cancel it; that would require that the institution that issued it
formally declare it illegitimate. This has not happened because the Shari'a
clearly permits istinja' with the Bible. Indeed, specialists on Shari'a have
through the centuries discussed the legitimacy of istinja' using the Torah and
New Testament. (September 21, 2010)
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