On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 12:50, Bartłomiej Płotka <bwplo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Even with all that the release shepard would still need to go through
> all the commits and double check that nothing was missed, plus fixing poor
> wording. I don't think saving 2-3 minutes off a release is worth all these
> downsides.
>
> *It is 2h do it properly for mere mortals Brian (: *Seriously, have been
> there.
>

I'm not sure what you're doing, but what I do is get github to give me a
list of all commits, and then open a new tab for each of them with middle
click - ignoring the ones I know aren't relevant (e.g. doc changes). I then
go through the tabs, copying&pasting the one line description (which will
include the issue number) for the ones that are relevant, and editing where
the description isn't great. Finally I'll do a pass over everything to
ensure that related changes are grouped together etc.

Even with all these changes, the only thing you'd save is the
copying&pasting bit as the release shepard still needs to do all of the
rest which is why I'm saying 2-3 minutes.

I'm not in favour of making code reviews harder for the sake of saving a
lesser amount of time during releases.

Brian


> I think we already had some discussion with Goutham about it. In Thanos,
> we require CHANGELOG entry. Sure - we will miss some, but the end job for
> release Shephard is then 80% quicker and easier. I don't think that's a big
> problem for the contributor. Why do we need to suffer if in most cases
> contributor is even happy to contribute CHANGELOG entry? If the contributor
> says "no, I don't know how or I am lazy", sure, we will do it for them, but
> only then.
>
> I would vote for a PR template that encourages changelog entry and asking
> contributors for optional changelog entry addition.
>
> There was a solid discussion with Goutham on IRC about the separate issues
> with this approach: Merge conflicts in CHANGELOG.md. I think we should
> treat this as a separate discussion - we might have just a tool e.g google
> doc to track this.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Bartek
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 07:22, Brian Brazil <
> brian.bra...@robustperception.io> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 07:10, Frederic Branczyk <fbranc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I recall Simon having a tool that would largely generate the changelog
>>> automatically, that worked pretty well last time I was release shepherd.
>>> Otherwise I'm also happy to discuss a process like in Kubernetes where the
>>> changelog item is written into the PR. On Thanos we have in the PR template
>>> that people have ensured that the changelog item was added respective to
>>> the change. Seems like there are options,
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I personally would favor something that would be done at contribution
>>> time, so not all the responsibility falls on the release shepherd as it
>>> does today, and more generally it seems like the person contributing the
>>> change probably is also a good candidate to describe it in the changelog.
>>>
>>
>> This is additional friction to contributions, we already have enough fun
>> getting the DCO signed. It's also an additional burden on every single PR,
>> we need to individually figure out if it's worth mentioned in the changelog
>> (many PRs aren't) and then get it in the right category, with good wording,
>> and handling the regular conflicts as everyone would be touching the same
>> lines in the same file.
>>
>> Even with all that the release shepard would still need to go through all
>> the commits and double check that nothing was missed, plus fixing poor
>> wording. I don't think saving 2-3 minutes off a release is worth all these
>> downsides.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 08:05, Callum Styan <callumst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to start a discussion around changing how we manage the
>>>> prometheus/prometheus changelog, specifically the fact that the changelog
>>>> is generated manually by the release shepherd as part of the release
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> We can discuss options for what the new process would look like, such
>>>> as requiring PR's to include changelog entries before merging or the next
>>>> release shepherd periodically updating the changelog prior to the release,
>>>> in more detail later. However I'd first like to get a sense of whether
>>>> anyone else feels strongly about either changing or not changing this part
>>>> of the release process.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Callum.
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