Yes, we found the issue. It was a setting in preferences of ProTools that I
totally forgot to uncheck.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Poppa Bear
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Effects and Busses, still very confused
Did you get any where with your busses and what not? I am just switching over
from Sonar to PT and can try to help with some general guide lines. Here is how
I may use FX plugins on a bus. Say I don't want to put a The same FX on 10
tracks and have to adjust imput levels of the FX's I will send all, say my
vocal backing tracks to a bus and name the buss reverb. I will then place a
reverb plug in on that bus, not incerted on each track, then every track
going/sent/routed to that reverb bus will have the reverb affect on it and I
can adjust the input level on all of the vocal tracks at once. You can then
rout the bus out to the OX track of your choice to control all the tracks
volume levels with one fader. Hope this gives you some light on the topic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau Halatyn
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Effects and Busses, still very confused
Chris,
You'll definitely need to go back into the Preferences and uncheck the box
that says "Sends Default to INF." Once you do that, you should be fine.
The send level and Aux input track's level will not affect the volume of
the audio track. It would affect it if you were to route the output of the
audio track to a bus feeding the Aux input but don't do it that way. There's a
whole different reason for routing tracks to a bus but not for effects
processing. One thing at a time. Just get this working for yourself first.
Uncheck the box and try it again.
Slau
On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I started thinking.
I had to reinstall PT when my meters were not working, remember? That
set all my settings back to factory default. I remember you, or someone on
here telling me that I had to go on the mix tab in preferences to that infinent
check box to make this work. I don't recall exactly what the box was labeled.
I remember it being the first thing on the mix tab though. Since I
reinstalled, I've not gone back in there.
When you say turn the fader up and down of the AUXS track, is that gonna
be only turning up and down the effect, or would that turn up and down also the
audio from the audio track as well?
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau Halatyn
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Effects and Busses, still very confused
Chris,
As is often the case with a dAW, there's more than one way to
accomplish a given task. Normally, to apply a time-based effect like reverb to
a track, the process you originally outlined is followed. A send is used to
route a copy of the audio on a track to another destination, in this case,
an auxiliary input. The auxiliary input's input source is set to the same bus
as the audio track's send is outputting to. I think you got all of that right.
If your send level is set to anything other than zero, you should get some
signal routed to the aux input. If there's a reverb plugin on that channel,you
should hear reverb. If you want more or less reverb, there are two
possibilities: either change the level of the aux's fader or change the volume
of the audio track's send. Either way, you'll affect the amount of reverb. I
don't know why you seem to be having trouble with the original routing. That's
the way it should be done for almost all cases. There are exceptions but
there's no need to get into those at this point. Maybe Kevin can help you get
the whole effects thing going.
Slau
On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK Chuck, this makes sense, but it still doesn't answer my question
exactly of how to do it, if I don't want the audio being routed to the A U X
track. All I want routed is the effects, say like reverb. This way I can not
change the volume of the audio, but simply only change the amount of effect,
say... the air reverb.
Am I going about this all wrong?
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: CHUCK REICHEL
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Effects and Busses, still very confused
Hi Christopher,
This article should clear up things for you.
I posted this to the list last year so it should be in the archives
also.
Enjoy
YMMV
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Before I even chime into this discussion, let me start by saying
this is really humilliating, my lack of ignorance.
Though a ton, and probably even a majority of you on this list
are, and have been, very! willing to help me. Others however have said, jus,
go, RTFM, OK?
Let me say this one note before I start: I have done just! that.
I have read and red, and read. This still makes no sense. With this in mind,
I am not going to ask you all how busses work, or how to apply effects...
Quote: I mean, in what way, Chris?"... End quote: oh, I just am trying to
apply them... No... don't worry. I have some very very specific questions, so
let's get started, shall we?
1. I completely get the concept of an insert. It's basically a
place holder for any number of plugins. I also get that in PT, you get
basically 2 sets of 5 of them per track, adding up to 10 inserts, A-E, then
F-J. I also totally get how to inject, for lack of better word, a plugin onto
an insert.
2. Where I am getting confused, however, is when dealing both
with buses, and with auxiliary tracks. I understand that an A U X track, in
itself, doesn't really carry data, per sey. I mean, it technically does, in
the sense that you can route things to it through a bus, or we can set input
and output paths on it to different places on my interface, then get audio to
play through it, but that is just it... it can receive! audio, but it can't
literally hold audio. Correct me, if I am not reading things correctly. For
instance there is no track record enable button on an AUX track. Why? Well,
bluntly, I edon't think there will be, as you can't record onto an A U X track.
The way my friend explained it, who's not a PT guy, but uses A U X tracks all
the time in his studio setup, was to think of it like an A U X track being
basically an empty pipe. Because it's opened on both ends, you can't put
anything in it to stay. You can however make things flow through it. Anyway,
let's go on.
3. I also partially! understand, sort of ish, what a bus is. I
know that it's basically a placeholder to send certain things from one point to
another. For example, I may have the output of a set of P A head speakers set
on one particular bus. Let's just call that bus for sake of example "Bus A."
I now could take the audio being fed either in or out, for that mind, from a
track, send it, with a send, to "Bus A," and then receive a copy of it
on that bus, thus meaning, the audio would be then fed through the P A speaker
monitors. I hear this is also good if you have, say, an external dat machine,
or CD burner, etc. We could put those on a bus, then send the audio from a
track to, say, that bus, then basically on the fly, we could record the audio
from that track into the device. I'd imagine really the possibilities could be
endless. Now, moving on to number 4, here's where I'm now, getting stuck...
4. OK, I have set up a session in PT. I have two tracks in the
session. One of them is a mnono audio track. One of them is a mono A U X Input
track. I arm the mono audio track for recording. I have my in, set to l/r 1,
and my out, set to l/r1. I now can hear my mike on my monitor, and hitting F12
to record does work. OK. Now, on the mono A U X track... I insert an air
reverb mono plugin on insert A. Keep in mind: I have not put anything at all
on the insert of the audio track. That's really important for you to remember
to get what I'm trying to do. Now, back on the audio track, I interact with
the sends. On send A, I set that to bus, and under the bus sub menu in this
pop up, I set it to bus 1. Now, I go back down to the A U X input track. I
set the input path on this to bus 1, instead of being set to no input, as it
was by default. Now, I play back my session with space bar. When I do, I am
noticing that the reverb is not being applied to the audio track. See... this
is where I'm confused. I thought that sense we assigned that auedio track to
bus 1, we're sending a copy out from that track. Well, you can't have an out
go to an out, it just doesn't work. So, wouldn't that mean the input of the A
U SX track now needs to receive that bus's signal? This is why my logic of
thinking told me to set the input path of the auxiliary track to that same
exact bus, and leave the output path on the A U X track alone on 1/2 mono just
like it was all along. Even if I move the A U X fader all the way up to +12DB,
I get nothing.
5. The only way I have been able to make this work, and this is
not even using the sends at all, it is, using buses, bu not sends. What I do
is, I record my audio track. After it's recorded, I then, set the output to
bus 1 on that audio track. Then, I make an A U X input track. I set it's
input! to bus 1. In other words, the same exact bus that I have set for the
output on the audio track I have set as the in, on the A U X track. Now, I
insert my revergb plugin on insert A of the A U X track. Now! if I play it
back. Boy? do I ever! hear the difference! It works perfectly! So, now I'm
extremely baffled. Can someone explain to me why that worked with my 2nd
method, but not my first? I know I probably am not understanding how sends
exactly work and are used in context, but have mercy on me. I've read and read
the documentation. I even have gone as far as to google and try finding things
out about how buses and sends work, but it's just not seeming to obviously add
up. Just as I think I get it, I obviously don't. I'm judging that I don't,
based on the fact soly, that what I am doing quite obviously for one reasn or
more, isn't working. I also hear with sends that I can send not the audio, but
just! the effects to an A U X track. That is essentially what I am wanting to
do. Basically the ultimate goal here I'm trying to achieve is to be able to
feed the effects to an A U X track, then be able to use the fader of that A U X
track to turn up or down the amount of effect being sent to the...
w'w'w'w'w'w'wate a m'm'm'm'minnit! Hark! I may have just hit on something. I
just said a major key word! I wanna send! hint hint? the effects from the A U
X track. Does this mean I need to set the sends on the A U X! track, not! on
the audio! track?
God, I am so confused! LOL! OK Kevin, this is gonna part a our
next lesson. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! You all're probly lookin at me gowen, W? TF? is
he doing!
Anyway, you all let me know and maybe someone can clear up some
of this. I don't expect you all to teach me audio concepts as this list is for
PT, not for learning how to mix or learning different concepts like this. I
gotta say I'm quite humilliated at my ignorance even after reading the docs.
Please help me. I really don't wanna be a pest asking so much.
Chris.
