Karen, were you knocking how lossy mp3 is as a format, or did I misunderstand? If so, there really are bigger fish to fry. Dunno if the trend has spread to Canada yet, but here in London your average Joe/Joanna who likes his/her music has stopped using headphones to deafen themselves, now, they walk around sharing their subjective take on what's brilliant with the rest of the world via the teeny tiny speaker in their mobile phone instead. Unbelievably, I've seen people who do sound related stuff all day everyday doing it... needless to say I died a little bit inside.
Scott On 6/21/12, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > Hi Chris, all. > Two different points here. > Chris to get your answer, research the album in question. Many artists > are going back to the old fashioned analog way, Kiss did this for one of > their last albums, and Michael's "crazy in love," did this too. A room > full of real musicians mixed with the solid sort of studio gear that > still creates the real thing. > That being said, yes on pro tools being the industry standard, even for > radio, think national public radio for example. the first gear I ever saw > computer wise was a mac running pro tools, and this was in the mid 90's. > I went to school before that, and got my masters so I would now what I > needed to do as a radio professional, and ask for as a singer working in > other people's houses. > When I began freelance journalism work in addition to radio production the > gear became remains and has to be pro tools...although I have a digi 003, > I > am still using the outspoken structure. > which is fine for radio production, I do not mix my music myself...that is > the job of folks like those on this list. > > However, at least in Canada, the home studio industry is an arm of > professional industry recording, likely because of how homes are > built here. > You can create a solid production house, well in the basement of your > house up here, and find professional trade magazines that focus > entirely on home studio work. > There is nothing wrong with making music for music sake! > but one thing that makes me crazy is that some feel an mp3 file is > real music, it. is. not! > with the right computer the right mixing environment and the write > speakers, you can create professional quality just with pro tools, some > media professionals do it every single day...from the basement smiles. > back to the corner, > Kare > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Nick Gawronski wrote: > >> Hi, I agree with you totally on all of those points and probably should >> have >> said that I am not against the home user learning in their home first as >> that >> is what I did with my windows systems and sound forge and studio recorder >> and >> some with cakewalk. I think there is a market for all types even for the >> >> home user who is learning this stuff and think that if you don't have some >> >> type of home setup there is really no easy way to learn at your own speed >> and >> skill level. When you record what makes the devices you use unstable and >> how >> are these things connected to your system? I use firewire for my digi 003 >> >> and one of the extress card slots for the sata drive to get the best >> speeds. >> What model of mac book pro do you have? Nick Gawronski >> >> On 6/21/2012 8:24 AM, Chris Norman wrote: >>> Please, when you read this, note, I'm not saying anyone who's >>> responded to these messages is wrong, there's some great people who >>> know infinitely more about what they're talking about than I, but I'd >>> like to give the view of a hobbiest. >>> >>> I have a studio in my spare bedroom, it's not professional in any way, >>> shape or form. I'm sure if anyone who turned up and knew their stuff, >>> they'd probably leave on a stretcher from laughing so hard, but, the >>> point is, it works for me. >>> >>> I have spent a fair amount of money over the last couple of years >>> getting the stuff I wanted. I do not know what's good or bad, but I >>> followed the suggestions of people on this list, and others, and got >>> stuff which was affordable, and good. >>> >>> With this stuff, I can get the sounds I want and rely upon. They might >>> not be radio quality, or up to the standard of Lianne Rhymes, or >>> anyone like that, but they work for me. >>> >>> Judging by the stuff you've written Christopher, you're in a similar >>> situation to myself, you're just recording for fun, and you probably >>> don't want to do it seriously. Even if you do, I see no reason this >>> stuff, with some modifications, could get you a fairly decent recorded >>> sound, which you could sell to people. >>> >>> Below is my gear list, as far as I know it. I'm actually not sure what >>> my monitors are, but they're MAudio somethings, and they were were >>> some £300 for the pair. >>> >>> I'm using Pro Tools 10, running on a MacBook Pro. It's not the latest >>> one, but the one before that I think. I (stupidly), brought it about a >>> week before the new MacBook Pro with the Thunderbalt ports came out. >>> Off course I use a full sized apple keyboard, and, when I've saved up >>> all the money for my iMac, I'll be using the Magic Trackpad too, so I >>> can sit of my sofa to record, instead of cluttering up space I don't >>> have, with another chair. >>> >>> I'm using a Euphonix Artist Mix control surface, and an MBox Pro >>> (which I find quite unstable with Pro Tools and Mac OS X 10.7.whatever >>> it is). >>> >>> The monitors, as I said, are MAudio something or others, not really a >>> clue. >>> >>> I have 2 Rode NT-1A's, which I use for tracking both acoustic guitar, >>> and vocals. >>> >>> For the rare times when I record amped electric guitars, I borrow a >>> pair of SM57's, which I went halves on with a friend of mine. For the >>> times I'm feeling lazy, and actually, I still love the sound, I use a >>> Vox something or other preamp, which my girlfriend and another friend >>> of mine brought me for my birthday. >>> >>> My main guitar is a Faith acoustic, again, not sure of the model, but >>> it was supposed to sell for £512 or so, but I got it for about £400, >>> because the shop I got it from (Noise Works in Coventry, England), had >>> an offer on. My electric guitar is a Fender Blacktop, and I have a >>> Crafter (I think), fretted acoustic bass, and a Spector Electric bass, >>> which I've had for years, and never changed the strings on, so it's >>> got a lovely basy sound. >>> >>> I am using an Axium 49 as my MIDI controler, but for one song, for >>> which I tracked the MIDI while on the road somewhere, I used an Akai >>> LPK24 or something, basically, a keyboard with 2 octave, bus powered. >>> >>> I have no soundproofing of any kind, apart from a bed setty in my >>> studio (if that counts), and the house is fairly old, so it's got nice >>> thick walls. >>> >>> I've also used an MAudio Mobile Pre, which I use to record my band >>> mate, who plays a Clavia NordStage 88, to save us the ball ache of >>> carrying the damn thing up the stairs. >>> >>> I have absolutely no idea what my headphones are, but I brought them >>> from a PX in Germany, when I was visiting my uncle for like 130 EUR. >>> >>> I could probably never achieve a totally dry sound in this room, but >>> luckily, I've never felt the need too. If I did want too however, I >>> could probably hang a quilt from the wall some how or something. >>> >>> It is a very basic setup, probably costing somewhere in the region of >>> 5 or 6 grand in total, but, as I said, this stuff has been collected >>> over a few years. The desc, the audio interface, my control surface >>> and monitors were all brought fairly recently, but the guitars I've >>> collected since I started playing when I was 6. >>> >>> If you like, I can send you some of the stuff I've done, so you guys >>> who know you're doing can have a laugh at it, but my aim isn't to >>> become the next big star, my aim is to make and play music until the >>> day I die, and love every minute of it. If I make money off it in >>> return, more the better. >>> >>> As far as setra software goes, I use AutoTune EFX from Antares to >>> pitch correct my vocals, as I'm not really a singer, and on the rare >>> occasions when I want digital harmonies, I use Harmony Engine EVo, >>> also from Antares EFX. I can use the latter to sort of simulate the >>> sound of the TC Helicon Voice Live 2 which I use live. >>> >>> None of the leads are anything special, I'm using the leads which came >>> with the monitors, and the XLR's which came with the Rode. The rest of >>> the cables are bits I've cobbled together as I've gone along, there's >>> a Parana guitar cable which I use some times, and a bunch of standard >>> guitar leads, which are by no means anything special. >>> >>> The only thing which I've done which I do think is quite clever, and I >>> would recommend for anyone, is I've partitioned my mac 3 ways. >>> >>> Partition 1 has the main Studio stuff. Alls that's on there is Pro >>> Tools it's self, the plugins I use, and the drivers for my desc and >>> audio interface. >>> Partition 2 has the main machine, with user accounts for me and my >>> girlfriend, my emails, all my apps, etc. I also have Pro Tools on this >>> partition, and at the minute, it's almost exactly like the setup on >>> the Studio volume, but I use it to test stuff, before I put it on the >>> main studio partition, because I've found that Pro Tools becomes very >>> slow to load etc, if you leave crap lying around on the machine, not >>> sure if that's fact, but it's definitely what I've discovered. >>> >>> Partition 3 has Windows on it, mainly because I use Vipmud far too >>> often, but as far as recording goes, I use QWS to fix all my MIDI >>> tracks. I record them in Pro Tools, then export them (right click the >>> midi track from the tracks list), and then re-import it (command >>> control shift I I think), and send it to the correct place. >>> >>> As far as fx go, I tend to use presets a lot of the time, because I >>> don't really know much about affects and all that, so I only tweek >>> something if I'm really not happy with the sound. >>> >>> There's a couple of semi clever things I do, like before I bounce, I >>> make sure the master's not clipping once I've given it it's fx, this >>> prevents Winamp's eq from compressing the hell out of it. >>> >>> I don't drink anymore, so it's probably worth noting that any spare >>> money I have goes into buying more music gear. I wouldn't say I have >>> no life, but music is definitely one of the things I love most, and >>> now I've got my friend playing keyboards, maybe we'll even have a band >>> on the go. >>> >>> And that's about it. I like things simple,,I'm not pro, I don't want >>> to be pro, I just want to enjoy myself, and it is my firm belief, that >>> if you don't care that your sound isn't perfect, you can get one which >>> you equally love with a budget. If you do want that super clean sound, >>> as Nick said, go to school, as everyone else says... Well, do whatever >>> they said really, spend money, etc. >>> >>> Sorry for the rambling, but I didn't really plan this message, it's >>> just kind of happened LOL. >>> >>> On 20/06/2012, Nick Gawronski <n...@nickgawronski.com> wrote: >>> > Hi, One point I should also make is if at all possible anyone should >>> > go >>> > to school to learn audio engineering as learning it from a >>> > professional >>> > in my view is the best method and you can also meet other people who >>> > have interests like yourself. As one of my instructors said in order >>> > to >>> > know what sounds good and what does not sound good you have to hear >>> > what >>> > sounds good as if you have never heard what good sounding music >>> > sounds >>> > like then how can you create this stuff? Once you hear what good >>> > sounding stuff is there are good methods for producing these same >>> > types >>> > of good sounding audios but you have to listen to the music or audio >>> > in >>> > an uncompressed format not an mp3 downloaded a raw wav or aif file. >>> > I >>> > have done just this listened to two songs the same song one in mp3 >>> > and >>> > the other off of the original CD and if you are listening to it yes >>> > you >>> > can totally tell the difference. I think that learning at home is >>> > also >>> > great but for those of us like me who want to do this for a living I >>> > knew I had to go to school where this stuff is being tought. Nick >>> > Gawronski >>> > >>> > On 6/20/2012 6:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> > > I was about to say. >>> > > >>> > > Chris. >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear" >>> > > <heavens4r...@gmail.com> >>> > > To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:36 AM >>> > > Subject: Re: Mainstream Recording? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Chris, the tools are so numerous and vast depending on the >>> > > > recording >>> > > > house. First off, no, most grammy recording houses do not just >>> > > > have >>> > > > a >>> > > > good Mac with PT, an good control surfase and mic, most big >>> > > > houses >>> > > > have decades worth of outboard equipment that goes back to the >>> > > > days >>> > > > of >>> > > > the beetles. Compressers, lunch boxes, equalizers, limmetters, >>> > > > exciters and on and on. On top of that, some recording booths run >>> > > > in >>> > > > the 6 to 7 figurs just to construct. Then, you have ingeneers and >>> > > > mastering houses that have over 100 combined years of experience >>> > > > in >>> > > > some cases. I am hardly scraching the surfase either. Keep in >>> > > > mind, >>> > > > todays average home recording artust does have much more ability >>> > > > to >>> > > > get a better sound then more than a few studios did just 20 years >>> > > > >>> > > > ago >>> > > > with a fraction of the investment. >>> > > > Adieu >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >>> > > > <clgillan...@gmail.com> >>> > > > To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:48 PM >>> > > > Subject: Mainstream Recording? >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > OK guys, I know this may sound like a dumb question, especially >>> > > > > coming from a almost considered newby, but I can't help but >>> > > > > ask. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > So many professionals I've talked to have told me that the >>> > > > > industry >>> > > > > standard is definitely ProTools. I always hear people saying if >>> > > > > i >>> > > > > turn the radio on to any Country music FM radio station now a >>> > > > > days, >>> > > > > or say, top 40 station, etc. Everything that I pretty much here >>> > > > > >>> > > > > will >>> > > > > have been done strictly in ProTools. nOw, there may be paid >>> > > > > plugins >>> > > > > that were used, not just the stocked ones, but then again, some >>> > > > > >>> > > > > times >>> > > > > it may! just be stocked stuff. I posed the argument question >>> > > > > of, >>> > > > > ok, >>> > > > > now hold on. Who's to say they're not using something like >>> > > > > QBase, >>> > > > > or >>> > > > > say Logic, or what not? I was given the answer of, it's >>> > > > > possible, >>> > > > > but highly unlikely. MOst likely, you can bet money on 99% >>> > > > > chance, >>> > > > > everything would be done in ProTools from the actual recording >>> > > > > to >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > final master/mixing. So for instance, let's just take Leann >>> > > > > Rimes >>> > > > > for instance, with her You Light up my Life Inspirational songs >>> > > > > >>> > > > > disc, >>> > > > > as that's absolutely by way! far and away one a my favorite >>> > > > > discs >>> > > > > of >>> > > > > all times, that I practicly ware out darn near. LOL! Something >>> > > > > >>> > > > > like >>> > > > > that, you all really mean to tell me a recording that sounds >>> > > > > that >>> > > > > good literally can be totally done in nothing more than just P T >>> > > > > >>> > > > > with >>> > > > > a good interface, microphone, and maybe control surface, with >>> > > > > exactly >>> > > > > the same software that I am using? ProTools 10? That's >>> > > > > unbelievable! So, granted I have a $300 or so mike, and maybe a >>> > > > > >>> > > > > $300 >>> > > > > or so interface. NOthing fancy. What she would probably be >>> > > > > using, >>> > > > > oh >>> > > > > God heavens alive! I'd think the surface alone! would probably >>> > > > > be >>> > > > > 10's of thousands of bucks, but generally, for a regular >>> > > > > recording >>> > > > > artist like her or Randy Travis, Amy Grant, or Steven Curtis >>> > > > > Chapman, >>> > > > > or Alan Jackson, etc. YOu know, basically, the big dogs, does >>> > > > > anyone >>> > > > > know exactly down the the make and model what basically a big >>> > > > > time >>> > > > > studio like that would consist of for really full grammy based >>> > > > > artists like that using ProTools? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Chris. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >>
