The page will just have everything on it. Youtube vids, MP3's, soundcloud links, etc.
Kevin On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Kevin, that's an excellent idea! Could there be a place too for featured > mp3's? I say this as I have no idea how to do Youtube vids, nor have the > camera setup to do it. > > Also again I ask any of you guys, what is the u r l for the p t access site. > > It's obviously not > > ptaccess.com > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Reeves" <reeves...@gmail.com> > To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: Mainstream Recording? > > > Good god. That sounds great as well. Man. You people are blowing me away left > and right. I think we're gonna put a page on the site showcasing all yall's > youtube vids. THis is great. > > Kevin > On Jun 22, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> Hey Brian, >> >> Very cool! Good to know there are brethrin of melodic dark and heavy >> stuff on the same side of the pond here. Curious to hear more man, I'm >> heading over to bandcamp to pick up the record when I've finished >> writing this. >> >> Yeah, point taken about DI not working for everyone, we're lucky in >> that it caters well to what we do. At the time, it was more of a >> productivity-based choice than anything else based on the spaces >> available to write and record in. Album number 3 will likely stay that >> way for bass and guitars, but suggesting another triggered album to >> the drummer could well be the last suggestion I'd ever make. >> >> If you're interested in the difference the DI approach made, this was >> from the first record with live drums and more variation in how >> guitars were tracked. All in makeshift recording locations again, and >> it still took some drum reinforcement at mix stage. Who knows, perhaps >> album 3 might be the one where we actually end up with a decent kit >> sound to start with LOL! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo9_NYB4AR8 >> >> Cheers >> Scott >> >> On 6/22/12, Brian Casey <brian_w_ca...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Scot, fantastic production, and while we're swopping heres my band, an album >>> >>> tracked in about 5 days in a ttics spare bedrooms and a very bad attempt at >>> >>> a drum isolation booth a friend constructed, but that's another days >>> discussion. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFl7vPZTjo8 >>> >>> Not as slick as your production but it was my first major mix, and its hit >>> national radio quite a bit, so its probably close to an acceptable >>> professional standard. >>> >>> My major point here though is, I mixed this in an attic in my house, but >>> have since moved into a purpose built studio, with piles of money gone into >>> >>> acoustically treating the rooms, and using the same speakers and same >>> computer/interface I could definitely say that mixing the album would have >>> been so much easier in this better room. >>> >>> Also, the drums for this were recorded in a muddy sounding room where >>> someone thought acoustically treating it meant sucking out all the life out >>> >>> of the room and not treating the bass/low mid frequencies at all, which >>> seriously restricted mixing options. >>> >>> Having said all this, even if I didn't have the new studio for my next >>> project, it would be much better than this work I've l inked to here, simply >>> >>> because I've learned quickly from getting deep into one album production, >>> and have done much more work since. >>> >>> I would say good acoustics/listening environment and the right pair of ears >>> >>> are all that's needed beyond a basic computer and DAW setup these days for >>> good results. >>> >>> By using D I and triggars, you bypassed that acoustic elements some what, >>> though you obviously didn't have the ideal mixing environment, but what you >>> >>> did have was the good or great pair of ears and artistic vision. >>> >>> Which brings me to my final point, and this is an important one, your setup >>> >>> got a high budget sound for your band in my opinion at l east and I think >>> most would agree with that, however, bring in the Dixy Chicks and they ain't >>> >>> going to sound so good with triggars and D I, well you might get some part >>> of the way, but commercial recording studios are meant to be able to take >>> anything thrown at them to a certain extent. >>> >>> But again I say, the right pair of ears for the project is at least half the >>> >>> battle, and the acoustics is the other half, so that great pair of ears can >>> >>> better t ell what they're actually listening to. >>> >>> Great stuff again Scot, killer guitar tones and great writing. >>> >>> Brian. >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottcheswo...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 2:18 AM >>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Mainstream Recording? >>> >>>> This is a really interesting thread! >>>> >>>> For anyone that might care to listen, my band tracked this tune >>>> entirely in a spare bedroom. Thanks to the modern miracles of DI and >>>> MIDI triggering, the most noisy member was our vocalist. So far, we're >>>> two albums down the line and haven't touched what most people would >>>> consider to be a proper studio yet during tracking and production >>>> stages. >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI8Xrup5akw >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/21/12, Chris Norman <chris.norm...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> Please, when you read this, note, I'm not saying anyone who's >>>>> responded to these messages is wrong, there's some great people who >>>>> know infinitely more about what they're talking about than I, but I'd >>>>> like to give the view of a hobbiest. >>>>> >>>>> I have a studio in my spare bedroom, it's not professional in any way, >>>>> shape or form. I'm sure if anyone who turned up and knew their stuff, >>>>> they'd probably leave on a stretcher from laughing so hard, but, the >>>>> point is, it works for me. >>>>> >>>>> I have spent a fair amount of money over the last couple of years >>>>> getting the stuff I wanted. I do not know what's good or bad, but I >>>>> followed the suggestions of people on this list, and others, and got >>>>> stuff which was affordable, and good. >>>>> >>>>> With this stuff, I can get the sounds I want and rely upon. They might >>>>> not be radio quality, or up to the standard of Lianne Rhymes, or >>>>> anyone like that, but they work for me. >>>>> >>>>> Judging by the stuff you've written Christopher, you're in a similar >>>>> situation to myself, you're just recording for fun, and you probably >>>>> don't want to do it seriously. Even if you do, I see no reason this >>>>> stuff, with some modifications, could get you a fairly decent recorded >>>>> sound, which you could sell to people. >>>>> >>>>> Below is my gear list, as far as I know it. I'm actually not sure what >>>>> my monitors are, but they're MAudio somethings, and they were were >>>>> some £300 for the pair. >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Pro Tools 10, running on a MacBook Pro. It's not the latest >>>>> one, but the one before that I think. I (stupidly), brought it about a >>>>> week before the new MacBook Pro with the Thunderbalt ports came out. >>>>> Off course I use a full sized apple keyboard, and, when I've saved up >>>>> all the money for my iMac, I'll be using the Magic Trackpad too, so I >>>>> can sit of my sofa to record, instead of cluttering up space I don't >>>>> have, with another chair. >>>>> >>>>> I'm using a Euphonix Artist Mix control surface, and an MBox Pro >>>>> (which I find quite unstable with Pro Tools and Mac OS X 10.7.whatever >>>>> it is). >>>>> >>>>> The monitors, as I said, are MAudio something or others, not really a >>>>> clue. >>>>> >>>>> I have 2 Rode NT-1A's, which I use for tracking both acoustic guitar, >>>>> and vocals. >>>>> >>>>> For the rare times when I record amped electric guitars, I borrow a >>>>> pair of SM57's, which I went halves on with a friend of mine. For the >>>>> times I'm feeling lazy, and actually, I still love the sound, I use a >>>>> Vox something or other preamp, which my girlfriend and another friend >>>>> of mine brought me for my birthday. >>>>> >>>>> My main guitar is a Faith acoustic, again, not sure of the model, but >>>>> it was supposed to sell for £512 or so, but I got it for about £400, >>>>> because the shop I got it from (Noise Works in Coventry, England), had >>>>> an offer on. My electric guitar is a Fender Blacktop, and I have a >>>>> Crafter (I think), fretted acoustic bass, and a Spector Electric bass, >>>>> which I've had for years, and never changed the strings on, so it's >>>>> got a lovely basy sound. >>>>> >>>>> I am using an Axium 49 as my MIDI controler, but for one song, for >>>>> which I tracked the MIDI while on the road somewhere, I used an Akai >>>>> LPK24 or something, basically, a keyboard with 2 octave, bus powered. >>>>> >>>>> I have no soundproofing of any kind, apart from a bed setty in my >>>>> studio (if that counts), and the house is fairly old, so it's got nice >>>>> thick walls. >>>>> >>>>> I've also used an MAudio Mobile Pre, which I use to record my band >>>>> mate, who plays a Clavia NordStage 88, to save us the ball ache of >>>>> carrying the damn thing up the stairs. >>>>> >>>>> I have absolutely no idea what my headphones are, but I brought them >>>>> from a PX in Germany, when I was visiting my uncle for like 130 EUR. >>>>> >>>>> I could probably never achieve a totally dry sound in this room, but >>>>> luckily, I've never felt the need too. If I did want too however, I >>>>> could probably hang a quilt from the wall some how or something. >>>>> >>>>> It is a very basic setup, probably costing somewhere in the region of >>>>> 5 or 6 grand in total, but, as I said, this stuff has been collected >>>>> over a few years. The desc, the audio interface, my control surface >>>>> and monitors were all brought fairly recently, but the guitars I've >>>>> collected since I started playing when I was 6. >>>>> >>>>> If you like, I can send you some of the stuff I've done, so you guys >>>>> who know you're doing can have a laugh at it, but my aim isn't to >>>>> become the next big star, my aim is to make and play music until the >>>>> day I die, and love every minute of it. If I make money off it in >>>>> return, more the better. >>>>> >>>>> As far as setra software goes, I use AutoTune EFX from Antares to >>>>> pitch correct my vocals, as I'm not really a singer, and on the rare >>>>> occasions when I want digital harmonies, I use Harmony Engine EVo, >>>>> also from Antares EFX. I can use the latter to sort of simulate the >>>>> sound of the TC Helicon Voice Live 2 which I use live. >>>>> >>>>> None of the leads are anything special, I'm using the leads which came >>>>> with the monitors, and the XLR's which came with the Rode. The rest of >>>>> the cables are bits I've cobbled together as I've gone along, there's >>>>> a Parana guitar cable which I use some times, and a bunch of standard >>>>> guitar leads, which are by no means anything special. >>>>> >>>>> The only thing which I've done which I do think is quite clever, and I >>>>> would recommend for anyone, is I've partitioned my mac 3 ways. >>>>> >>>>> Partition 1 has the main Studio stuff. Alls that's on there is Pro >>>>> Tools it's self, the plugins I use, and the drivers for my desc and >>>>> audio interface. >>>>> Partition 2 has the main machine, with user accounts for me and my >>>>> girlfriend, my emails, all my apps, etc. I also have Pro Tools on this >>>>> partition, and at the minute, it's almost exactly like the setup on >>>>> the Studio volume, but I use it to test stuff, before I put it on the >>>>> main studio partition, because I've found that Pro Tools becomes very >>>>> slow to load etc, if you leave crap lying around on the machine, not >>>>> sure if that's fact, but it's definitely what I've discovered. >>>>> >>>>> Partition 3 has Windows on it, mainly because I use Vipmud far too >>>>> often, but as far as recording goes, I use QWS to fix all my MIDI >>>>> tracks. I record them in Pro Tools, then export them (right click the >>>>> midi track from the tracks list), and then re-import it (command >>>>> control shift I I think), and send it to the correct place. >>>>> >>>>> As far as fx go, I tend to use presets a lot of the time, because I >>>>> don't really know much about affects and all that, so I only tweek >>>>> something if I'm really not happy with the sound. >>>>> >>>>> There's a couple of semi clever things I do, like before I bounce, I >>>>> make sure the master's not clipping once I've given it it's fx, this >>>>> prevents Winamp's eq from compressing the hell out of it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't drink anymore, so it's probably worth noting that any spare >>>>> money I have goes into buying more music gear. I wouldn't say I have >>>>> no life, but music is definitely one of the things I love most, and >>>>> now I've got my friend playing keyboards, maybe we'll even have a band >>>>> on the go. >>>>> >>>>> And that's about it. I like things simple,,I'm not pro, I don't want >>>>> to be pro, I just want to enjoy myself, and it is my firm belief, that >>>>> if you don't care that your sound isn't perfect, you can get one which >>>>> you equally love with a budget. If you do want that super clean sound, >>>>> as Nick said, go to school, as everyone else says... Well, do whatever >>>>> they said really, spend money, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the rambling, but I didn't really plan this message, it's >>>>> just kind of happened LOL. >>>>> >>>>> On 20/06/2012, Nick Gawronski <n...@nickgawronski.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, One point I should also make is if at all possible anyone should go >>>>>> to school to learn audio engineering as learning it from a professional >>>>>> in my view is the best method and you can also meet other people who >>>>>> have interests like yourself. As one of my instructors said in order >>>>>> to >>>>>> know what sounds good and what does not sound good you have to hear >>>>>> what >>>>>> sounds good as if you have never heard what good sounding music sounds >>>>>> like then how can you create this stuff? Once you hear what good >>>>>> sounding stuff is there are good methods for producing these same types >>>>>> of good sounding audios but you have to listen to the music or audio in >>>>>> an uncompressed format not an mp3 downloaded a raw wav or aif file. I >>>>>> have done just this listened to two songs the same song one in mp3 and >>>>>> the other off of the original CD and if you are listening to it yes you >>>>>> can totally tell the difference. I think that learning at home is also >>>>>> great but for those of us like me who want to do this for a living I >>>>>> knew I had to go to school where this stuff is being tought. Nick >>>>>> Gawronski >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/20/2012 6:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>>>> I was about to say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear" >>>>>>> <heavens4r...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:36 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mainstream Recording? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris, the tools are so numerous and vast depending on the recording >>>>>>>> house. First off, no, most grammy recording houses do not just have a >>>>>>>> good Mac with PT, an good control surfase and mic, most big houses >>>>>>>> have decades worth of outboard equipment that goes back to the days >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the beetles. Compressers, lunch boxes, equalizers, limmetters, >>>>>>>> exciters and on and on. On top of that, some recording booths run in >>>>>>>> the 6 to 7 figurs just to construct. Then, you have ingeneers and >>>>>>>> mastering houses that have over 100 combined years of experience in >>>>>>>> some cases. I am hardly scraching the surfase either. Keep in mind, >>>>>>>> todays average home recording artust does have much more ability to >>>>>>>> get a better sound then more than a few studios did just 20 years ago >>>>>>>> with a fraction of the investment. >>>>>>>> Adieu >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:48 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Mainstream Recording? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK guys, I know this may sound like a dumb question, especially >>>>>>>>> coming from a almost considered newby, but I can't help but ask. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So many professionals I've talked to have told me that the industry >>>>>>>>> standard is definitely ProTools. I always hear people saying if i >>>>>>>>> turn the radio on to any Country music FM radio station now a days, >>>>>>>>> or say, top 40 station, etc. Everything that I pretty much here will >>>>>>>>> have been done strictly in ProTools. nOw, there may be paid plugins >>>>>>>>> that were used, not just the stocked ones, but then again, some >>>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>>> it may! just be stocked stuff. I posed the argument question of, >>>>>>>>> ok, >>>>>>>>> now hold on. Who's to say they're not using something like QBase, or >>>>>>>>> say Logic, or what not? I was given the answer of, it's possible, >>>>>>>>> but highly unlikely. MOst likely, you can bet money on 99% chance, >>>>>>>>> everything would be done in ProTools from the actual recording to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> final master/mixing. So for instance, let's just take Leann Rimes >>>>>>>>> for instance, with her You Light up my Life Inspirational songs >>>>>>>>> disc, >>>>>>>>> as that's absolutely by way! far and away one a my favorite discs of >>>>>>>>> all times, that I practicly ware out darn near. LOL! Something >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> that, you all really mean to tell me a recording that sounds that >>>>>>>>> good literally can be totally done in nothing more than just P T >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> a good interface, microphone, and maybe control surface, with >>>>>>>>> exactly >>>>>>>>> the same software that I am using? ProTools 10? That's >>>>>>>>> unbelievable! So, granted I have a $300 or so mike, and maybe a >>>>>>>>> $300 >>>>>>>>> or so interface. NOthing fancy. What she would probably be using, >>>>>>>>> oh >>>>>>>>> God heavens alive! I'd think the surface alone! would probably be >>>>>>>>> 10's of thousands of bucks, but generally, for a regular recording >>>>>>>>> artist like her or Randy Travis, Amy Grant, or Steven Curtis >>>>>>>>> Chapman, >>>>>>>>> or Alan Jackson, etc. YOu know, basically, the big dogs, does >>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>> know exactly down the the make and model what basically a big time >>>>>>>>> studio like that would consist of for really full grammy based >>>>>>>>> artists like that using ProTools? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Take care, >>>>> >>>>> Chris Norman. >>>>> >>>>> <!-- chris.norm...@googlemail.com --> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
