I have the same Interface as chris; and I do not know about Chris's
particular set of cans, but my set of cans do not exibit a his at least
that is what I am hearing. but my cans come from Yamaha. Not sure if
that matters, or is there something enharent about headphone amps that I
am missing?
Ron.
On 12/12/2019 12:27 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
Why not just crank the headphone output so you can hear it during
recording. Just turn VoiceOver’s Volume down you can do this quickly
by using VO+Shift+Command+ left or Right arrows to find VoiceOver’s
Volume, and then using VO+Shift+Command+Up and down arrows to turn the
volume up or down. This allows you to adjust VO volume on the fly
without leaving pro tools. Once you are done you can turn VoiceOver
back up and turn the volume back down on the headphones. Use
Notification Center to turn on do not disturb while recording so you
aren’t interrupted with any system sounds while recording so nothing
will blast your ears out.
On Dec 12, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Christopher Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does that work though with monitoring in my cans before recording?
That's the main issue. I know how to turn it back up after it's
recorded, but the issue isn't after recorded. It's before. I'm trying
to get it where at such a low level during the actual tracking
process, I can hear what I need to hear through my cans without
having to crank them to high heaven to compensate for the lower input
signal.
Chris.
On 12/12/2019 12:19 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
I am surprised they gave you that complicat setup, especially
considering iTunes doesn’t give you a way to export tracks once the
volume has been lowered on them. Just use clip gain to lower the
instrumental track and it basically does everything Sweetwater told
you to do in one simple step.
On Dec 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Christopher Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Slau,
What Sweetwater actually told me is, lower the karaoke track in
iTunes before importing it to PT.
I'm not totally sure how to do that, but anyway, then, once that is
lowered to fit my vocal level, import into PT, then add my vocal
track, but here's the catch. They told me, then, also add a stereo
master fader. Then, take that master fader, and only use it as a
gain adder. Meaning, you're not really per sé doing anything with
the master fader more than using it to add gain. Then, move that
master fader volume from it's default 0DB location back up to reach
the normal audible level. Presto! Done!
I was always under the impression you really don't want a master
fader though unless you're literally doing mastering type
techniques. Or is that just it though: you kind of *are!* doing a
mastering technique by doing this. All be it, you're not really
doing anything substantial with the fader more than adding gain,
but... still... Is that a way to go, or like me, can you see some
potential problems with this method. I'm not really planning to add
any final processing to the over all master mix like compression,
dithering, final e queueing etc.
Chris.
On 12/12/2019 11:27 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
Turn down the mastered track to a manageable level to accommodate
your vocal recording. Once you've recorded the vocal, process the
vocal to a comparable quality of compression and remix the two.
You'll probably end up having to limit your vocal some if the
music was mastered particularly hot.
On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Christopher Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Guys, we've discussed this before, I think, quite some time back,
but the answers I got were kind of vague, and honestly, and this
is of no offense to any of you all, weren't very helpful at the
time. That's no fault of you all. It might have just been my
knowledge/experience at that time was not of such that I could
fully grasp the concepts.
Here is the situation again though. Trust me, too. I've Googled
like crazy. I spent over about 3 hours last night Youtubing, and
just Googling in general and am coming up pretty much empty handed.
I normally record lead vocals on top of already purchased
instrumental tracks, so I'm not really normally working with
stems. Once in a while, I'll do something which takes more than 2
tracks, one for the music, one for my vofal, but that's rare.
Regardless, this is occuring.
In the past, I made a really really bad habbit of cranking my
input gain on the mike input way up. Well, OK, fine. Not way up,
but up enough to get good audible level going into PT. I
obviously needed the level to be balanced with the music track.
Problem is, that music track usually would have been mastered at
gain unity 0, which you know, anything above that, you're
clipping. This means anything I drove on top of the music track,
that's gonna push my master over that 0 no no limit. But! I had
to. Or so I thought. It's the only way I could get any good
volume on my mike input.
So, a few things. First my hardware. This way you know what we're
working with. This interface is popular enough, surely you all
know enough at least about it to help. I'm running a Focusrite
scarlet 2I2 interface, and the first generation of a Blue
Bluebird microphone. Let me be clear. This is the Bluebird, not
the baby bottle. Again, the first gen, not the 2nd, nor the beta.
Now, I'm trying to break that habbit of running my gain so hot.
I'm finding that with where my input dial on the scarlet now is
set, I'm on my peeks hitting probably around -13DB or so on
average, and again, that's on the loudest peeks of my vocals.
Obviously, that's much much better.
The problem is, when recording, obviously having the level that
low, I can't hear myself hardly at all in my cans. I normally
have to get around -2 to 0DB in my peek meter on the output of
the vocal track in PT before I can really hear myself well..
Also, when playing things back, it's barely audible.
Obviously, same problem with my keyboard using a virtual synth,
or for that mind, patching it directly in the scarlet. As for my
vocal, I get that to hear it well in my cans, and on the final
mix I could pop a compressor on the vocal, like the Gray
compressor, and set it to a preset like steady, which very very
significantly does boost the volume. The only issue is, no, I'm
not clipping, but adding compression for the simple reason to
boost that output gain is a horrible! idea in most cases. It's
adding color, sometimes saturation, etc. that I definitely do not
want into the mix taking away the natural beauty of the vocal
characteristics.
Yes, I could get a pre like a cloud lifter, but that's gonna
present the same issue. You turn up that input, bam! now you're
clippen again. I don't think the issue is on my input side. - I'm
fully convinced of that. This is an output thing. As level wize,
my peek meter in PT is showing just fine at -13 roughly.
I know I also could turn down the music track. Wayyyyy down.
Then, add a stereo master fader track, and turn it's output
volume slider way way up to compensate, but is that really the
best methodology? I have to run that thing with no plugs on the
master fader up to nearly positive 8 or 9 DB to get the volume
back to normal comfortable listening. Remember. I'm trying to
compensate for that lower -13DB level going in.
I don't think the Scarlet has a separate IO path output just for
headphones alone, so I can't exactly create a bus in the IO
settings, then send to it individually creating a submix.
On the master fader though, again, going to +8 or 9 DB... yeah!
That's barely giving any headroom at all. Maybe I have a ton on
the mike, but, yeah. I get I could turn up the output level
itself on the vocal track but is that really a safe thing to do?
I was always told you wana try keeping your vocal tracks output
volume sliders as close to that default 0DB as possible. Only
interact with Voiceover on those sliders and crank them as a very
last resort. I'm told you really wanna be using your master, not
the level of the mike tracks.
Basically all I'm trying to do is keep things at that -13
average, yet get them loud enough to hear them through the mix. I
could just crank up the cans volume knob on the scarlet, or the
main output volume fed to my speakers, but then, again, I'm gonna
have to then crank things almost to the point of normal blaring
level which means if I do anything listening to a regular mp3
outside PT, or try doing anything with Voiceover, etc. Yowel!
Lookout! Can you say, ow, my aching ears?
I just don't know how to deal with this. I'm kind a damned if I
do, and I'm damned catch22 if i don't.
Chris.
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