Unfortunately the current firmware version on the installed CPE does not 
support UPnP. I don't know where the rest of the members stand on it. 
Personally I'm indifferent, but 90% of the time it only facilitates 
high-bandwidth applications such as bittorrent, ichat/skype ptp file transfers 
and video chats (regular iChat/Skype use works fine without it). I'm not saying 
it's not useful, however as you pointed out, it can cause problems on heavily 
used networks such as the miss-net.

Tyler Booth // President 
ph. 503.548.2000 | fx. 503.548.2002
921 SW Washington St, Suite 224
Portland OR 97205


On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Irving Popovetsky wrote:

> Team,  here's an opportunity to discuss a "user friendliness" issue with free 
> wifi systems.
> 
> UPnP and NAT-PMP were designed to gracefully handle dynamic port forwarding 
> for ports > 1024.    It's included with most open source router/firewall 
> distros.   I find it pretty useful at home and well supported on all 
> platforms. 
> 
> Pros:  Used by many voice/video chat clients  (iChat,  Skype, probably 
> others) to get around NAT issues and provide a better voice/video experience.
> 
> Cons:  Also used to easily enable Bittorrent seeding.  Probably not desirable 
> on the typical overworked PTP node,  but that isn't my call.    Also a 
> potential security risk, as users may be unknowingly exposing themselves to 
> the Internet boogeyman even more than usual.
> 
> The percentage of users who will want to forward SSH to themselves (via a 
> high port) is probably very small.  The major use cases are stated above.  
> But if those users are people who assist PTP, shouldn't they deserve a perk 
> or two?   Perhaps it would help retain volunteers.
> 
> -Irving
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tyler Booth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> The trouble with port forwarding on this particular network is that everyone 
> on it shares a single IP address. Port 80 and 22 are already forwarded to 
> Personal Telco routers/servers that manage this network.
> As for your offer of assistance, we're always looking for eager volunteers. 
> Please come to a weekly or monthly meeting and introduce yourself. 
> 
> Tyler Booth // President 
> ph. 503.548.2000 | fx. 503.548.2002
> 921 SW Washington St, Suite 224
> Portland OR 97205
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:41 PM, jon wrote:
> 
>> hi, i am a regular user of the mississippi ptp network, and on most
>> days can connect from my home a couple blocks away.  i am wondering
>> what ptp policy is for setting up nat or port forwarding (etc) for us
>> normal users to be able to get to our ptp-connected machines from the
>> outside world?
>> 
>> obviously there are matters of security to contend with and so forth,
>> but i am thinking of an unused outside port mapping to port 80 of my
>> linux box (presumably on a mac-assigned static internal ip address),
>> so that i can demo some of my web development to outsiders.  as a
>> bonus, another port going to 22 wouldnt hurt either! heh
>> 
>> this is not at all an urgent or critical inquiry, more just one of
>> curiosity.  i tend to push things through svn to outside hosts when i
>> *really* need to show some development, but it would just be so
>> convenient to have somewhere to point to that has the active
>> development.
>> 
>> thanks much, especially for keeping the network going over here!
>> -jon
>> 
>> p.s. i have offered before, but will state again -- i am available for
>> any light net admin kinda maintenance on the mgp network as needed.  i
>> even helped climb up on the ballroom roof once to get some new
>> equipment in.  lemme know.
>> 
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