Hi Dave,

This is a good start.

I was also thinking that inputs should allow optional use of 'name' attribute instead of ref *and* label. This would allow implicit creation of a 'flat' data structure.

Then, I was thinking that an input could also use a value attribute (content string, not XPath) to indicate initial value of the named node in the implicit flat data model.

The point is that this:

<input name="Name" value="John"/>

would do the same thing as an XForm today would do with

<xf:model>
   <xf:instance xmlns="">
       <data>
         <Name>John</Name>
      </data>
   </xf:instance>
</xf:model>

<xf:input ref="Name">
   <xf:label>Name</xf:label>
</xf:input>

Note that today XForms already reads the above xf:input and, if the model contains no instance, it will autogenerate one like the xf:instance above, except for the ability to initialize the data to something other than empty string.  So the main point here is that the name attribute could be an ultra-shorthand to further smooth the migration path, and that value would go even one step further along those lines.

I also agree that further details are needed for various other controls and their attributes, but seems best to take it one step at a time.

John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
Senior Product Architect/Research Scientist
Co-Chair, W3C XForms Working Group
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Victoria Software Lab
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Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer




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A forms-lite straw man






Rising to Mark's challenge, here is a sketch of of a proposal that
is both syntactic sugar for a subset of XForms and an incremental
improvement on HTML4. The data model and contraints are implied
by the annotations provided with the input fields.

Input fields have the following attributes:

  ref:  an XPath _expression_ binding the field to the data
        e.g. ref="details/age"

  type: an enumerated value from a small set as per HTML4
        with the addition of {integer, number, date}

  verify: an XPath _expression_ evaluating to a boolean

  pattern: a regular _expression_ constraining the input value

  min, max and step: numbers acting as constraints with step
    being used for ranges

  required: an XPath _expression_ evaluating to a boolean

  hint, help and alert: corresponding to XForms elements
            (use HTML4 label element for the label text)

Output fields have the following attribute

  value: an XPath _expression_ evaluating to a string

Obviously there are many other details missing from the above,
e.g. initialization and submission, selection controls, repeating
controls, and autocompletion etc. However, I hope it serves to
indicate a potential way to blend ideas from both WF2 and XForms.

 Dave Raggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  W3C lead for multimodal interaction
 http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett +44 1225 866240 (or 867351)



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