David Huynh wrote:
Kingsley Idehen wrote:
David Huynh wrote:
Sherman Monroe wrote:

    To be more specific, these days a news reporter can say
    "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" on TV and expect that to mean
    something to most of the audience. That's a marvel. Something more
    than just the string "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" is
    transfered. It's the expectation that if anyone in the audience
    were to type "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" into any web
    browser, then they would be seeing information served by the
    authority associated with some topic or entity called "foobar" as
    socially defined. And 99% of the audience would be seeing the same
    information. What's the equivalent or analogous of that on the SW?


I just want to make sure the analogies are aligned properly and are salient. The WWW contains only nouns (no sentences). If I have an interest or service I want to share with others, then I post a webpage and /share its URL/ with you. In the SW, things are centered around the crowd, if I have something to say about the an interest, service, place, person, etc, then I /reference its URL/ in my statements. So the SW contains sentences that can be browsed. Type the URL in the WWW browser, you get /the thing /being shared. Type the URI in the SW browser, you get the /things people say about the thing/.
I didn't quite express myself clearly. If you were to take the previous sentence ("I didn't quite express myself clearly"), and encode it in RDF, what would you get? It certainly is something that I said about "the thing", the thing being vaguely what I tried to explain before (how do you mint a URI for that?). The point is that using RDF or whatever other non-natural language structured data representation, you cannot practically represent "the things people say about the thing" in the majority of real-life cases. You can only express a very tiny subset of what can be said in natural language. This affects how people conceptualize and use this medium. If I hear a URI on TV, would I be motivated enough to type it into some browser when what I get back looks like an engineering spec sheet, but worse--with different rows from different sources, forcing me to derive the big picture myself,
   urn:sdajfdadjfai324829083742983:sherman_monroe
      name: Sherman Monroe (according to foo.com)
      age: __ (according to bar.com)
      age: ___ (according to bar2.com)
      nationality: __ (according to baz.com)
      ...
rather than, say, a natural language essay that conveys a coherent opinion, or a funny video?

David



David,

When you see a URI (a URL is a URI to me) on the TV, or hear one mentioned on the TV or Radio, you now have the option to interact with a variety of representations associated with the aforementioned Thing identified by the URI. You have representational choices that didn't exist until now. Choice is inherently optional :-)
Beware the paradox of choices :-)

http://www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005696/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1242800143&sr=8-2


A URI by definition cannot presuppose representation. This is the heart of the matter.

The Semantic Web Project isn't about a new Web distinct from the ubiquitous World Wide Web. I think that sentiment and thinking faded a long time ago.

If you are used to seeing a nice looking HTML based Web Page when you place URIs in a browser or click on them, then there's nothing wrong with that, always interact with a Web resource using the representation that best suits the kind of interaction at hand. Thus, someone else may want to know what data was contextualized by the nice looking HTML representation (the data behind and around the page), and on that basis seek a different representation via the same URI that unveils the kind descriptive granularity delivered by an Entity-Attribute-Value graph (e.g., RDF).

The revolution is about choice via negotiated representations in a manner that's unobtrusive to the Web in its current form. Nobody has to change how they use the Web, we are just adding options to an evolving medium.

You've forced my hand, I need to make a movie once and for all :-)
It's not forcing, just nudging :) It'll be a win for all.

David


David,

Okay, so you've successfully nudged me :-)

Here is the first cut (others will follow as this was done in haste, but demonstrates the essence of the matter).

1. YouTube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CweYtyw7fnY
2.  Vimeo -- http://vimeo.com/4736569


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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen       Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com





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