On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Yves Raimond wrote:
Hello!
Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may
simply be a
problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. In
particular, it
refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything,
either
in the axioms or in the documentation, to explain what this strange
term is
supposed to mean. It is not normal English usage to refer to a
'factor' of
an event, so ordinary English usage is no guide. The documentation at
http://motools.sourceforge.net/event/event.html#term_Factor
says an event:Factor is 'everything used as a factor in an event',
which is
completely useless as it provides no explanatory information
whatsoever. If
an explanation of event:Foodle was that it described all the
foodles of an
event, that would be similarly useless as documentation. Can you
say WHAT
YOU MEAN by a 'factor'? If that is too much to ask, can you give some
EXAMPLES both of factors and of non-factors of an event?
Wow. No need to shout!!!!
Sorry. You pressed one my buttons. I am so fed up reading
'documentation' along the lines of "A frongleBlitz" is any blitz with
a frongle". It is just irresponsible to write such stuff when putting
forward something that is claimed to be an ontology, especially one
that is touted as being generally useful.
Anyway, yes, the documentation is not particularly good, for the only
reason that most people got it from the examples (which is apparently
wrong or not enough, then?) and so we didn't got the incentive to
write a better one.
The incentive should have been part of the initial publication.
Among those examples, you have:
* A score in a musical performance
* A musical instrument in a musical performance
OK, but how about the concert hall in a musical performance? The
conductor of a musical performance? The seating used by the musician
in a musical performance? Im guessing these are not factors, but why
not?
* A piece of text in a reading
* A microphone in a recording
The disjoint statement between agent and factor defines factors as
something that doesn't have an active role in the event.
But are necessary for the event to take place? Or play a significant
role in the event, so that if they were not present, the event would
have been different? Or something?
Sorry it
isn't reflected in the html doc (yes, my small specgen script doesn't
capture everything).
Also, we are perfectly open for improvements, so if you have any
suggestions for improvement or better description of terms, feel free.
How can I define your terms when I don't know what they are supposed
to mean? And really, I don't. From the examples I can think of several
possible meanings, but I have no way to know which might be what you
intend. Until we all become telepathic, you are the only person who
can document your ideas so that others can use them.
Pat Hayes
There is even an open SVN (motools project on Sourceforge, in the
event subdirectory), where you can directly commit stuff.
There are also a bit more details in my thesis.
Best,
y
It is not enough to
only give examples, as this does not help the reader understand the
limits
of your conceptual idea. For example, can something be both and
agent and a
factor in an event? (Can you say, briefly, why or why not?) And so
on. I
know this is not easy, and it may be impossible to give a
'definition' of
the term, but surely you can give SOME guidance to the user, if you
are
claiming that this is so simple and obvious to use in such a wide
range of
applications.
and has been used in quite a
variety of context already, from music data to activities data.
Also,
it is really simple, so really easy to grasp and extend.
RIght now it is impossible to grasp, and I would have no confidence
that any
two extensions would be consistent.
Pat
If you want
example of last.fm events described using this ontology, take a look
at the recommended events in the http://dbtune.org/last-fm/ wrapper.
Cheers,
y
thanks in advance
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