On 18 Jun 2011, at 17:09, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote: > HS wrote: "The recent discussions on this list were very much about how to > avoid making distinctions unless you have to (Just-In-Time Distinctions?) So > why are the above distinctions needed? Particularly with regard to this > conversation." > It concerns your talks, going under the overpromising and undelivering title, > "Philosophy and the Social Web", starting from the epithet "the web is now > philosophical engineering". > Missing the distinctions is leading to such poor online services as the > schema.org's types.
What is missing is an argument from how not making four philosophical distinctions can lead to schema.org :-) I think the talk shows quite clearly how philosophy and the web are coming together at many different levels, from the philosophy of language and reference, to the philosophy of mind. I thought the talk was long enough as is. It took me quite a while to put together. But all that is talk. I am back to hacking away to build some of this stuff. Henry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Henry Story > To: AzamatAbdoullaev > Cc: semantic-...@w3.org ; public-lod@w3.org ; Harry Halpin ; adasal > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful > > > On 18 Jun 2011, at 08:13, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote: > >> HS: "I gave a talk on the philosophy of the Social Web if you are >> interested." >> http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083 >> >> For the specifics of TBL's motto, "the web as a philosophical engineering", >> see Harry's article: >> http://www.apaonline.org/publications/newsletters/v07n2_Computers_04.aspx >> Some interesting assertions: "we are not analyzing a world, we are building >> it. We are not experimental philosophers, we are philosophical engineers." ; >> "online intelligence is generated through complex causal interaction in an >> extended brain-body-environment system"; "The Web is ...the creation and >> evolution of external representations in a universal information space". >> I'd extend: if the the world wide web is "a universal information space", >> the semantic/ontological web is a universal knowledge space. >> And we need avoid confusing four fields: philosophical engineering, >> philosophy of engineering, engineering philosophy, and engineering of >> philosophy. > > The recent discussions on this list were very much about how to avoid making > distinctions unless you have to (Just-In-Time Distinctions?) So why are the > above distinctions needed? Particularly with regard to this conversation. > > >> Azamat >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Henry Story >> To: adasal >> Cc: Lin Clark ; Bjoern Hoehrmann ; Linked Data community ; Semantic Web >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful >> >> >> On 17 Jun 2011, at 19:27, adasal wrote: >> >>> That said the hacker is a various beast, >> >> Indeed, hackers are not angels. But the people on this list should get back >> to hacking or work together with open source projects to get initial minimal >> working pieces embedded there. WebID is one; foaf is another, pingback, >> access control, ... >> Get the really simple pieces working. >> >>> and I wonder if this sort of thing can really be addressed without >>> overarching political/ethical/idealogical concerns. It's tough. >> >> It all fits together really nicely. I gave a talk on the philosophy of the >> Social Web if you are interested. >> http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083 >> >> Hackers tend to be engineers with a political attitude, so they are more >> receptive to the bigger picture. But solving the big picture problem should >> have an easy entry cost if we want to get it going. >> >> I talked to the BBC but they have limited themselves to what they will do in >> the Social Web space as far as profile hosting goes. Again, I'd start small. >> Facebook started in universities not that long ago. >> >> Henry >> >> >> Social Web Architect >> http://bblfish.net/ >> >> > > Social Web Architect > http://bblfish.net/ > > Social Web Architect http://bblfish.net/
