Hi, WebAPI fans-
Here are the minutes for the DOM3 Events telcon for 6 Feb 2008. Sorry
for the funky formatting.
http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-webapi-minutes.html
Or as text, below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Web API WG Teleconference
06 Feb 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-webapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
shepazu
Contents
* [3]Topics
* [4]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 06 February 2008
shepazu: Zakim, this is DOM3
[2:27pm] Zakim: shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM in the schedule
but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3".
[2:27pm] shepazu: sigh
[2:27pm] shepazu: Zakim, this will be DOM3
[2:27pm] Zakim: ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM scheduled
to start in 3 minutes
[2:27pm] Zakim: IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has now started
[2:27pm] Zakim: +Carmelo
[2:27pm] shepazu: Zakim, code?
[2:27pm] Zakim: the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200
tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
[2:28pm] anne: hmm, office us is just starting
[2:28pm] Zakim: +Andrew_Emmons
[2:29pm] shepazu: sorry, phone problems, just a couple minutes
[2:31pm] anne: Zakim, who is on the phone?
[2:31pm] Zakim: On the phone I see Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons
[2:31pm] • anne waits for shepazu
[2:35pm] anne: Zakim, who is on the phone?
[2:35pm] Zakim: On the phone I see Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons
[2:35pm] Zakim: +??P0
[2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0
[2:35pm] Zakim: I saw ??P0 just arrive
[2:35pm] Carmelo: Hello Everyone
[2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is me
[2:35pm] Zakim: sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named
'+??P0'
[2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is Doug Schepers
[2:35pm] Zakim: I don't understand '+??P0 is Doug Schepers', shepazu
[2:36pm] Zakim: +anne
[2:36pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is me
[2:36pm] Zakim: sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named
'+??P0'
[2:36pm] shepazu: Zakim, ??P0 is me
[2:36pm] Zakim: +shepazu; got it
[2:37pm] shepazu: anne, can you join
[2:37pm] shepazu: ?
[2:37pm] aemmons: Scribe: Andrew Emmons
[2:38pm] aemmons: ScribeNick: aemmons
[2:38pm] aemmons: Chair: Doug Schepers
[2:38pm] aemmons: Topic: Introduction meeting
[2:38pm] aemmons: DS: Introducing Andrew Emmons
[2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Known for some time
[2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Motivated to get DOM3 Events published
[2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Anticipate that it is largely done
[2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Goal of meetings to establish what is left to
be done
[2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Find out what is implemeted
[2:40pm] aemmons: DS: Find out what is different than what is
implemented
[2:40pm] aemmons: DS: I would like to see spec as CR in 4-6 months
[2:40pm] aemmons: DS: CR is when you need a good test suite
[2:41pm] Lachy joined the chat room.
[2:41pm] Lachy left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
[2:41pm] aemmons: DS: Andrew Emmons is from BitFlash
[2:41pm] Lachy joined the chat room.
[2:41pm] aemmons: DS: Implements SVGT 1.2 and thus DOM 3 Events
[2:42pm] aemmons: DS: Anne works for Opera, well informed regarding
DOM 3 Events
[2:42pm] aemmons: DS: I work for W3C, staff contact for WebAPI
[2:43pm] aemmons: DS: Carmelo works for NIST
[2:43pm] aemmons: DS: Has done some DOM testing in the past
[2:44pm] aemmons: CM: Will DOM LEvel 3 Events be using the same
framework as DOM LEvel 2 Events?
[2:44pm] aemmons: CM: I was looking at the previous frameworks
[2:44pm] aemmons: DS: W3C specifications do implementability testing
[2:44pm] aemmons: DS: No focus on interopability
[2:45pm] aemmons: DS: There has been a new focus to have
interopability between implementations
[2:45pm] • anne has to go in ~15 min for a WAF meeting
[2:45pm] aemmons: DS: Want to make sure the DOM3 Events Test suite
has a focus for interopability
[2:46pm] aemmons: DS: Worth our time on how to setup the testing
framework
[2:47pm] aemmons: CM: I could not find a DOM Level 2 events test
suite
[2:47pm] aemmons: DS: I do not think one exists
[2:47pm] aemmons: CM: How wass this tested in the past?
[2:47pm] aemmons: DS: Not sure
[2:47pm] aemmons: CM: How did it become a Recommendation
[2:48pm] aemmons: Av: The requirements were more loose at that time
[2:48pm] aemmons: CM: Should we have tests for DOM Level 2 Events?
[2:48pm] aemmons: DS: May be useful, where there is overlap
[2:50pm] aemmons: DS: My goal is to get the spec out with features
that are compatible or easy to do with existing browsers
[2:50pm] aemmons: DS: Implementations do somehting that is akin to
DOM Level 3 events
[2:50pm] aemmons: DS: The feedback I want to get is from Opera,
Mozillia, IE and WebKit
[2:51pm] aemmons: DS: And SVG user agents
[2:51pm] aemmons: DS: Step 1 is to have a careful review by all
browser venders
[2:52pm] aemmons: DS: The reason DOM Events stalled, at that time
implementers will not implementing
[2:53pm] aemmons: DS: Need to have buy-in from venders
[2:53pm] aemmons: Av: The biggest problem is that it requires
namespaces on events
[2:53pm] aemmons: Av: I do not think people are implementing the
namespacing
[2:54pm] aemmons: DS: I am sure Microsoft will be involved in this
process
[2:54pm] aemmons: DS: I understand that there are people who dislike
namespaces,
[2:55pm] aemmons: DS: I am not sure it is a blocker for the spec
[2:55pm] aemmons: Av: It is the think we do not see people
implementing
[2:55pm] aemmons: Av: It does not make sense for us to ship it if
others do not as well
[2:56pm] aemmons: DS: Another thing is - do authors want this?
[2:56pm] aemmons: Av: Poeple hardly use namespaced elements, which
have been around a long time
[2:57pm] aemmons: AE: We've found them useful for content that uses
CustomEvent
[2:58pm] aemmons: DS: We need to make sure the spec is consistent
and in publishable form
[2:58pm] aemmons: DS: Good test suite
[2:58pm] aemmons: DS: And that Key Events are acceptable for all the
vendors
[2:59pm] aemmons: AE: Moving forward, I need to know what
resolutions have been made by the group that have not been captured
i the spec
[2:59pm] aemmons: Av: We have an issue tracker
[2:59pm] shepazu: [5]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/
[5] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/
[3:00pm] shepazu:
[6]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2
[6] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2
[3:02pm] anne:
[7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0065.ht
ml
[7]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0065.html
[3:04pm] shepazu: [8]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Bindings/
[8] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Bindings/
[3:05pm] aemmons: DS: Because most people doing web content, our
focus should be ECAMScript for testing
[3:05pm] Zakim: -anne
[3:06pm] aemmons: AE: Sounds good
[3:06pm] aemmons: CM: Sounds good
[3:07pm] aemmons: DS: Focusing on one issue and moving forward
should be a great way forward
[3:08pm] shepazu: [9]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events
[9] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events
[3:09pm] shepazu: [email protected]
[3:09pm] aemmons: DS: All of our technical discussions are done on
the public WebAPI mailing list
[3:11pm] aemmons: DS: Let's start with this double-click issue and
move forward
[3:12pm] aemmons: DS: No telcon next week, due to SVG F2F
[3:12pm] aemmons: DS: I would love if we could be very agressive
regarding this spec
[3:12pm] aemmons: DS: Get feedback, spec updated, etc
[3:13pm] aemmons: DS: Would go a long way in giving credibility
[3:13pm] aemmons: DS: And if we could have a test as well that would
be great
[3:15pm] aemmons: DS: Would be good to have the tests transformable
from HTML to SVG
[3:17pm] aemmons: ACTION: AndrewE to summarize issues regarding
double-click events and bring it up with the group
[3:17pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[3:17pm] trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AndrewE
[3:17pm] aemmons: ACTION: AEmmons to summarize issues regarding
double-click events and bring them up with the group
[3:17pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[3:17pm] trackbot: Created ACTION-244 - Summarize issues regarding
double-click events and bring them up with the group [on Andrew
Emmons - due 2008-02-13].
[3:18pm] aemmons: ACTION: Carmelo to write double-click tests
[3:18pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[3:18pm] trackbot: Created ACTION-245 - Write double-click tests [on
Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-02-13].
[3:19pm] Zakim: -Carmelo
[3:19pm] aemmons: rrsagent, make minutes
[3:19pm] aemmons: zakim, bye
[3:19pm] Zakim: leaving. As of this point the attendees were
Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons, anne, shepazu
[3:19pm] Zakim left the chat room.
[3:20pm] aemmons: rrsagent, make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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