Ryan and others commenting on WG formation, Please attend our next Governance WG meeting to make sure your concerns/questions/comments are heard. It would be fantastic to have more than 3 people at our next meeting! Also, please provide feedback on documents as they are circulated. Thanks!
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Re: Ballot 201 - .onion Revisions (Curt Spann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 17:41:33 -0400 From: Ryan Sleevi <[email protected]> To: Peter Bowen <[email protected]> Cc: "CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List" <[email protected]>, Kirk Hall <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: Ballot 203: Formation of Network Security Working Group Message-ID: <cacvawvbxuey39yywz9mevgqnvtyrxorfqjmuor7xifflrm8...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Peter Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is there a concern if the meeting is a ?subgroup? or ?committee? of the > full Forum and clearly states that such a meeting may not approve minutes > as Final, process applications to be Members, or deal with items sent to > the Questions mailing list? This appears to be what is contemplated in > the bylaws, which refer to subgroups and committees in 5.1(a) and 5.2 (a) > and (b) and 2.2(g). > To be clear: There is zero objection over meeting during the F2F to discuss this topic. We are extremely supportive of the continued discussion around this topic. As a one-off, this does not seem to pose any risk, especially since it will be taking part of the broader Forum Meeting (or, as mentioned as also possible, the regular Forum Teleconference). That's why there does not seem to be an urgent need to charter the WG in advance of the F2F, as the means and process already exists. To your other points, those are all reasons why Google has raised concerns over similar proposals for subgroups and committees - the need and desire for a clear definition of scope and purpose, particularly around subgroup/committee, since one reading is that they constitute Forum Meetings or Forum Teleconferences, and thus allow for the approval of minutes, members, and answers without the broader Forum participation, or, historically, have failed to include the necessary draft and final agendas and final minutes. I certainly hope that the Governance WG is contemplating these matters, as they've been raised in the Forum at large in the past. The hope is for some form of sensible outcome that is able to meet everyone's needs, which hopefully be met by the following: - Agenda Item on the CA/Browser Forum discussing this topic - Option 1: Have it on the Wed/Thurs with the Forum 'at large' - Option 2: Simply declare that the Forum Meeting also encompasses Tuesday (updating the Draft Agenda), that the sole Agenda item shall be this topic, and that the Chair and Vice-Chair shall not trigger any of the items related to Forum Meetings that may be triggered in a Forum Meeting - Charter a WG with an explicit, defined date - If the WG members feel three years is appropriate, sure, go for three years. Just pick a hard date, and the only possible conclusion is sooner, rather than any form of 'automatic' extension, 'novel' voting, strawpolls, assent votes, etc. - As the Governance WG works through its proposals, it can always be rechartered to incorporate them, which might include any of those forms of simplified extension. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/attachments/20170605/e7509b91/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:00:00 -0700 From: Curt Spann <[email protected]> To: CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 201 - .onion Revisions Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Apple votes Yes. Curt > On May 25, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Ben Wilson via Public <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ballot 201 - .Onion Revisions > > This ballot is meant to cure any potential problems with Ballot 198, which > may have been invalid due to ambiguities in what was presented to the Forum > for vote. This Ballot 201 attempts to clarify Appendix F of the EV Guidelines > concerning the Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension and that inclusion of > the extension in the TBSCertificate is required. > > The following motion has been proposed by Jeremy Rowley of DigiCert and > endorsed by Ryan Sleevi of Google and Wayne Thayer of GoDaddy to introduce > new Final Maintenance Guidelines for the "Guidelines for the Issuance and > Management of Extended Validation Certificates" (EV Guidelines). > > Attached is a PDF with a redline showing how Appendix F of the current EV > Guidelines will be amended. > > -- MOTION BEGINS -- > > Part 1: > > The CA/Browser Forum, recognizing that Ballot 198 did not include a redline > version against the current Final Maintenance Guidelines, thereby constitutes > an invalid Ballot. As a consequence, the Forum agrees that the changes shall > not be made to the appropriate Final Maintenance Guideline, and as such, no > IPR Review Notice is in force for Ballot 198: > > Part 2: > > Revise Appendix F, Section 1, to read as follows: > > Appendix F ? Issuance of Certificates for .onion Domain Names > > A CA may issue an EV Certificate with .onion in the right-most label of the > Domain Name provided that issuance complies with the requirements set forth > in this Appendix: > > 1. CAB Forum Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension (2.23.140.1.31) > > The CA MUST include the CAB Forum Tor Service Descriptor Hash in the > TBSCertificate to convey hashes of keys related to .onion addresses. The CA > MUST include the Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension using the following > format: > > cabf-TorServiceDescriptorHash OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { 2.23.140.1.31 } > > SEQUENCE ( 1..MAX ) of TorServiceDescriptorHash > > TorServiceDescriptorHash:: = SEQUENCE { > > onionURI UTF8String > algorithm AlgorithmIdentifier > > subjectPublicKeyHash BIT STRING > > } > > Where the AlgorithmIdentifier is a hashing algorithm (defined in RFC 6234) > performed over the DER-encoding of an ASN.1 SubjectPublicKey of the .onion > service and SubjectPublicKeyHash is the hash output. > > --Motion Ends-- > > The procedure for approval of this Final Maintenance Guideline ballot is as > follows (exact start and end times may be adjusted to comply with applicable > Bylaws and IPR Agreement): > > BALLOT 201 Status: Final Maintenance Guideline Start time (22:00 > UTC) End time (22:00 UTC) > > Discussion (7 to 14 days) > May 25, 2017 June 1, 2017 > > Vote for approval (7 days) > June 1, 2017 June 8, 2017 > > If a vote of the Forum approves this ballot, the Chair will initiate a 30-day > IPR Review Period by sending out an IPR Review Notice. > > After 30 days of announcing the IPR Review period by the Chair: > > If Exclusion Notice(s) are filed, this ballot approval is rescinded and a PAG > will be created; or > If no Exclusion Notices are filed, this ballot becomes effective at end of > the IPR Review Period. > From Bylaw 2.3: If the Draft Guideline Ballot is proposing a Final > Maintenance Guideline, such ballot will include a redline or comparison > showing the set of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to > become a Final Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a copy of the full > set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison shall be made against the Final > Guideline section(s) as they exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need > not take into consideration other ballots that may be proposed subsequently, > except as provided in Bylaw Section 2.3(j). > > Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread on the Public > list. A vote in favor of the motion must indicate a clear 'yes' in the > response. A vote against must indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote > to abstain must indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses > will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of a > voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted. 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