This message relates to Agenda Item 9 for the Thursday teleconference of the 
CABF -" Bylaws and existing Charters update."

A small group of us have been working on possible amendments of the Bylaws to 
present to the Forum.  One of the issues we wanted to think about was this: To 
what extent does our IPR Agreement (IPRA) actually apply to work we do at the 
Forum level (as opposed to work we do at the Working Group level), and are 
there any special dangers we need to be aware of?

For example, could work we do at the Forum level somehow require a member to 
disclose its IP under the IPRA?  This is relevant to the question of adding a 
new Bylaw allowing the Forum to create Subcommittees to work on administrative 
matters such as Governance and even Infrastructure.  (As a reminder, Working 
Groups can create Subcommittees, but the current Bylaws are silent as to the 
Forum's ability to create its own subcommittees).  In prior discussions, some 
members have expressed IP concerns about subcommittees at the Forum level, but 
the concerns have been very general.

The good news is - it's not a problem to allow the Forum to create 
Subcommittees because the changes we made in Ballot 206 really nail down this 
fact: the IPRA only applies to Guidelines enacted by a WG in which a member 
participates.

Also, this same language makes it pretty clear that any work or ballots in the 
Forum itself (or any future Subcommittees of the Forum) will not trigger the 
requirements of the IPRA.  (Of course, we also must avoid enacting new 
Guidelines at the Forum level to make sure, but we have no intention of 
creating Guidelines at the Forum level or in any future Subcommittees.)

This is logical, as a key purpose of Ballot 206 was to push all work on 
Guidelines down to the Working Group level, and reserve new Working Groups for 
new certificate types (under Ballot 206, Working Groups were not intended to be 
used for purposes other than Guidelines for different certificate types, such 
as administrative matters that did not involve new Guidelines.)  Members could 
choose not to participate in particular Working Groups, in which case they did 
not have to disclose their IP relevant to Guidelines created by those Working 
Groups.

Someone could no doubt read the IPRA and come up with edge cases (or lazy 
wording) and say there is some IP danger to activities at the Forum level, but 
I think the many references to "WGs" in the updated IPRA shown below are clear, 
and that we don't have any IP problems at the Forum level itself.

We can discuss this issue on our Thursday call.  Here are relevant excerpts 
from our current IPRA.

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Excerpts from IPRA v1.3

1. Overview This Intellectual Property Rights Policy describes: a. licensing 
goals for CA/Browser Forum ("CAB Forum"); b. the patent licensing obligations 
that Members will undertake as a condition of participation in CAB Forum 
Working Groups, along with means of excluding specific patents from those 
obligations; ***

3. Patent Licensing Obligations of Participants The following obligations shall 
apply to all Participants with respect to the Working Groups in which they 
participate. ***

4.1 Review of Draft Specifications. Prior to the approval of a CAB Forum Draft 
Guideline as a CAB Forum Final Guideline or Final Maintenance Guideline, there 
shall be a review period during which Working Group Participants may exclude 
certain Essential Claims from CAB Forum RF Licenses. ***

4.2 Excluding Patents and/or Patent Applications from Royalty-Free Licensing 
Obligations During Review Period. Except for Essential Claims encompassed by a 
Participant's Contributions that are actually incorporated into a Final 
Guideline or Final Maintenance Guideline approved in accordance with the 
Working Group's Guideline approval process as specified in its charter, 
Participants may, within the Review Period, exclude Essential Claims ***

4.3 Conditions and Procedure for Excluding Patents and/or Patent Applications 
From CAB Forum RF License. A Participant seeking to exclude Essential Claims 
from the CAB Forum RF License in accordance with Section 4.2 must provide 
written notice of such intent to the CAB Forum Chair with a copy to the 
appropriate Working Group Chair and the CAB Forum public mailing list 
([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) ("Exclusion Notice") within 
the Review Period. ***

4.5 New Participant Reviews. When a new Participant joins a Working Group, such 
Participant shall be permitted not less than forty five (45) days to review ***

6.2 Copyright License Grant Each Working Group Participant grants to the other 
Participants in such Working Group an irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, 
royalty-free, nontransferable, nonexclusive copyright license to (1) reproduce, 
modify and distribute (in any and all print, electronic or other means of 
reproduction, storage or transmission) its Contributions for the purpose of 
developing and publishing Draft Guidelines and Final Guidelines ***

6.4 Representations and Warranties Participants that submit Contributions, by 
making a Contribution to a Working Group, represent and warrant that, to the 
extent personally known to the individual Contributors under their control: ***

8.3. Other Key Definitions ***

d. "Contribution" means material, including Draft Guidelines, Draft Guideline 
text, and modifications to other Contributions, made verbally or in a tangible 
form of expression (including in electronic media) that is provided by a 
Participant in the process of developing a Draft Guideline for the purpose of 
incorporating such material into a Draft Guideline or a Final Guideline or 
Final Maintenance Guideline. For a verbal contribution to be deemed a 
Contribution hereunder it must be memorialized within approved meeting minutes 
of the CAB Forum. ***

f. "Final Guideline" is any version of a Draft Guideline that the Working Group 
Participants have agreed is a final version of such Draft Guideline pursuant to 
the Working Group process for approving Final Guidelines.

l. "Working Group" means a working group that has been approved by the CAB 
Forum or Working Group in accordance with the Bylaws. Working Groups may be 
either "Legacy" (as defined in Section 5.3.4 of the Bylaws) or "Chartered" (as 
defined in Section 5.3.1(a) of the Bylaws), and they may designate their own 
Subcommittees, as described in Section 5.3.1(e) of the Bylaws.



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