Hi,

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Jeff Fearn wrote:
> It's not nearly as annoying as the limitations FOP has, such as no
> complex text PDFs, and the fact that the current release is
> basically un-packagable.

Hum, Debian still has 0.95 (and not 1.0). I don't know the reasons but at
least it gives some plausibility to your statement. :-)

> >The PDF should be a high quality rendering so that the result is perfect
> >should it be printed as a real book (via a print-on-demand service for
> >example).
> 
> This was the original goal of the PDF, it was not attainable, and it
> is not what PDF consumers use it for. The PDF is now aimed at being
> a single file distributable, which closely resembles the other
> outputs.

BTW epub is also a "single-file distributable" (even if it's a just a zip
file).

> Perhaps sometime in the future we will consider another output for
> this use case.

I would definitely love this.

> The reason we are switching is because FOP is unmaintainable, if you
> want to step up and maintain FOP then I'm happy to stick with it.
> Unless someone steps up and maintains FOP we will be looking to
> switch, even if we lose some functionality.

I don't think I'm going to step up to maintain the FOP backend but I'm
definitely interested in a PDF that is of book print-quality and if the
switch picks a new technology where this is possible I _might_ contribute
a bit (or pay someone to contribute).

> >Most of the people doing docbook use some sort of LaTeX based backend for
> >the PDF generation. And it's also what many people expect when it comes to
> >create a real book.
> 
> I've never seen any even remotely decent docbook->latex tools, feel
> free to drop some names and some links if you know of any.

According to my limited experience, dblatex seems to be the most
popular XSLT stylesheets: http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/

Did you consider it? If yes, what were the main problems?

> At the time the Latex options sucked horribly for CJK, and Indic was
> impossible with CJK support. FOP gave us the hope of having a single
> tool that could handle all the languages required, a false hope as
> it turned out :(

I don't know anything about dblatex's support of those languages. It's
not something that mattered for my use cases.

> If it's much less featured, but sucks much less time, then that's a
> fair trade AFAIAC.

Well, it if doesn't add much over taking the HTML single page
and doing "print to PDF", I don't really see the point of it.

> >Are those changes things that are upstreamable in QT/Webkit?
> 
> Apparently getting changes up-streamed is difficult in that community.

:-(

Cheers,
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