Got it. Just thought of it while reading the e-mail. I'll head over there
tomorrow to get it in.

Thanks,

Trevor


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Eric Sorenson <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Trevor, this is tracked under PUP-523, please feel free to chime in on
> that ticket if you have additional use cases/requirements it doesn't
> address.
>
> https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-523
>
>
> --eric0
>
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Trevor Vaughan <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Henrik,
> >
> > All of this looks great to me. However, I was asked by someone recently
> if the language had the concept of a private class scope.
> >
> > We're seeing more patterns in the wild where people are creating classes
> that are only meant to be used internally to the class and not exposed to
> the rest of the world.
> >
> > Is there some way that the new scoping system could account for private
> classes?
> >
> > The best we could come up with right now is the idea of having a
> 'private' directory just to make it clear that they are not meant for
> public consumption but a 'private' keyword would be great so that the
> language itself could enforce the restriction.
> >
> > Thanks, and looking forward to the performance gains (but a bit worried
> about my custom types that use cross-resource variables).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Henrik Lindberg <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > we are just started to get more concrete on how to implement things for
> 4x and breaking it down into actionable items. If you have looked in Jira,
> there are currently 5 big issues in the epic "Biff the Catalog Builder" [1]
> - which is the goal (a new, better performing catalog builder (what is
> currently known as the "compiler") where we can fix many known issues that
> today are just to hard to implement.
> >
> > This time, I want to talk about the implementation of Scope, which is
> > part of "(PUP-1832) Implement the Puppet 4.0 Runtime" [2].
> >
> > Currently scope has many responsibilities (too many):
> >
> > * it is classic computer language scope (what is visible "here")
> > * for a class it also represents one aspect of "an instance of a class"
> >   (the attributes of the class are variables in that scope).
> > * Inheritance is achieved by looking up and continuing the search for a
> >   variable in another "scope".
> >
> > Coming up with a new implementation is important to make scope perform
> well. Thus it is important to know:
> >
> > - write vs read ratio
> > - unqualified vs. qualified lookup (i.e. reading $a:.b::x from within
> $a::b vs from other scopes)
> > - typical nesting levels of named scopes
> >
> > We also have to decide if any of the relative name-space functionality
> should remain (i.e. reference to x::y is relative to potentially a series of
> > other name spaces ("dynamic scoping"), or if it is always a global
> reference when it is qualified.
> >
> > The implementation idea we have in mind is that there is one global
> scope where all "qualified variables" are found/can be resolved, and that
> all other variables are in local scopes that nest. (Local scopes include
> ephemeral scopes for match variables).
> >
> > Given the numbers from measuring the read ratio, we (sort of already
> know, but still need to measure) need a fast route from any scope to the
> global - we know that a qualified variable is never resolved by any local
> scope so we can go straight to the global scope. (This way
> > we do not have to traverse the chain up to the "parent most" scope (the
> global one). Local scopes are always local, there is no way to address the
> local variables from some other non-nested scope - essentially how the
> regular CPU stack works, or how variables in a language like C work).
> >
> > i.e. we have something like this in Scope
> >
> > Scope
> >   attr_reader :global_scope
> >   attr_reader :parent_scope
> >   # ...
> > end
> >
> >
> > The global scope keeps an index designed to be as fast as possible to
> resolve a qualified name to a value. The design of this index depends on
> the frequency of different types of lookup. If all qualified lookups are
> absolute it would simply be a hash of all absolute names to values (it
> really cannot be faster than that).
> >
> > The logic for lookup then becomes:
> > - for un-qualified name, search up the parent chain (this chain does not
> reach the global scope), if still unresolved, look in global scope.
> > - for qualified name, look up in global scope directly
> >
> > If we need to also consider relative namespaces (i.e. x::y could mean
> z::x::y, or a::b::c::x::y etc. we can then either probe in turn with each
> name (which is fine if the number of things to probe is low), or provide a
> reverse index where y is first looked up to get the next level of names,
> etc. (the idea being that this requires fewer operations to find the right
> one).
> >
> > IF we can completely remove the notion of relative namespacing we gain
> performance!
> >
> > The global scope, in addition to having the qualified names also needs
> to separate the names by "kind" since we can have the same name for
> different "kinds". We can now keep keep all named things in the global
> scope - functions, types, variables, etc. Global scope and loading are
> > associated (more about loading in a later post) but it is worth noting
> that it may be of value to be able to record that there has already been an
> attempt of loading a particular name, and that there was nothing there to
> load...
> >
> > We are going to need the following kinds of scopes:
> >
> > * Global Scope - holding map from kind, to fully qualified name to value
> > * Local Scope - holding variables that shadow parent scope
> > * Ephemeral / Match Scope (read only) - when a match is made
> > * Class Scope - the topmost scope for a class - needed because variable
> lookup in it, and its nested scope needs to lookup all class attributes
> (and defined them) via reading/setting variables.
> > * Resource Scope - the topmost scope for a user defined resource type -
> needed because its parameters are available as read only variables.
> >
> > The resource scope simply makes the resource parameters available. It
> behaves as a local scope otherwise.
> >
> > The class scope looks up unqualified variables in the class itself, if
> not found there, it continues up the parent chain of scopes. If the class
> inherits from another, then, the parent scope is one that represents its
> super class.
> >
> > In class scope, setting a variable also means that it is set in global
> scope with the fully qualified name. This is where the logic around class
> private variables comes in. If it is private, it cannot be accessed from
> the outside (i.e. with a qualified name), and thus it
> > is only set in the class / class-scope. This in turn brings up the issue
> of also supporting "protected" variables; only visible from within the
> class logic, and the logic in sub classes, and if subclasses should see
> private inherited variables or not (probably not).
> >
> > The above could probably do with some picture :-)
> >
> > Now, some questions...
> >
> > - Are there any particular performance concerns you think we need to be
> aware of?
> > - Do you have concerns about things we missed? Something important scope
> needs to do?
> > - Do you have metrics from your environment? (number of lookups of
> various kinds, etc)
> > - What is your reaction to getting rid of dynamic/relative name
> resolution? (Breakage vs. sanity...)
> >
> > Regards
> > - henrik
> >
> > Links
> > ---
> >
> > [1]: https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-1789
> > [2]: https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-1832
> >
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