On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Andrew Shafer <and...@reductivelabs.com> wrote: > > The voice of reason has mostly prevailed in my opinion, which is the > sentiment that the right approach is not to worry. > > Trying to be as objective as possible, AJ has contributed to the Puppet > community. He has submitted patches, triaged bugs and been helpful in both > IRC and email. He is still quite helpful in #puppet, and though sometimes a > tad snarky, he's not overtly subversive. He made a comment when chef was > only about a week old that he was surprised that more people weren't > changing or interested in chef from Puppet (I believe this was in #chef, > which I usually join and occasionally participate in). There is a psychlogy > to constantly convincing others of things in order to convince ourselves. > *shrug* > > The bottom line is chef exists for a complicated set of social, economic and > technical reasons. I won't pretend to understand them all or that some of > the circumstances are not personally emotive. That's all spilt milk under > the bridge, as it were... > > While some of the motivation for chef is clearly economic, I think 'sleazy' > is a bit harsh. Both of these frameworks are released as free and open > source. What long term business models evolve from that remain to be seen. > Is Ruby stealing people from Python or C++? The long term value of Reductive > Labs and Opscode are going to be determined by execution and intangibles, > not subtle differences in how to solve a technology problem. And to be > clear, that's really what we are talking about. > > I have read enough chef code, cookbooks and discussion, in addition to > having the context of discussions in this mailing list, to know chef > admittedly learned a lot of lessons from Puppet. In my opinion, there were > also some lessons that were ignored. > > The fact is this is 2009. Information flows at the speed of light. With just > a tiny bit of effort, people can find whatever they want, plus everything > related to that in seconds. I can't fully explain what I mean by this now, > but Puppet has and will derived benefit from chef and Opscode, directly and > indirectly. If nothing else, chef helped us to focus. There is plenty of > stuff going on behind the scenes and there is no point trying to police the > flow of information on public lists and channels. > > Puppet is awesome, except when it isn't, and the best way to move things > forward is to address those and get back to making more awesome. That's what > we need to be worried about. Just more awesome, this is not a zero sum game. > > 0.02 > Andrew
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