>>However I found we could easily turn it into a CDROM drive again with 
>>this little change: 
>>
>>- my $drive = parse_drive($ds, "$storeid:$vmid/vm-$vmid-cloudinit.qcow2"); 
>>+ my $drive = parse_drive($ds, 
>>"$storeid:$vmid/vm-$vmid-cloudinit.qcow2,media=cdrom"); 
>>
>>This is the only change required to make it use 'ide-cd' and thus show 
>>up as /dev/srX. 

I'll test this. Thanks.



>>You can simply use `cloudinit: local`. AFAIK we already need shared
>>storage for migration, and more importantly, using storage-backed qcow2
>>images automagically adds snapshot support. 
Ok, so we need to implement this on other shared block storage like rbd,zfs.
I'll try to look at this


>>(which becomes a pain when we add template support, since we
>>need to include the template and cannot simply backup the configuration
>>variables in the vmid.conf).
Ah ok, I understand now !


----- Mail original -----
De: "Wolfgang Bumiller" <w.bumil...@proxmox.com>
À: "aderumier" <aderum...@odiso.com>
Cc: "pve-devel" <pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com>
Envoyé: Mardi 30 Juin 2015 10:18:22
Objet: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v5 0/3] RFC: cloud-init update

> 1)-does it work with windows ? (as we expose the config drive as drive and 
> not cdrom) 
Well, it shows up, and according to the code it should, but my 
experience with administrating windows systems is limited, and my 
patience has hit a limit with all that lengthy point&click work... 
You don't happen to have a working cloudinit-base config file for 
windows I could copy? The installer doesn't let me choose the network 
device, and finding configuration variables and bringing them into the 
VM is hurting my brain :-P 

> 2)-as we put it as ide3, it could break some guest disk drive order, if we 
> don't use disk uuid in /etc/fstab 
Personally I'm a fan of always using UUID= or LABEL=, but you're right, 
this could be an issue. 
However I found we could easily turn it into a CDROM drive again with 
this little change: 

- my $drive = parse_drive($ds, "$storeid:$vmid/vm-$vmid-cloudinit.qcow2"); 
+ my $drive = parse_drive($ds, 
"$storeid:$vmid/vm-$vmid-cloudinit.qcow2,media=cdrom"); 

This is the only change required to make it use 'ide-cd' and thus show 
up as /dev/srX. 

> 3) do we really to define a special storage for hosting qcow2 ? maybe always 
> store it in local storage and rsync it on live migration. 
> (everybody don't have a nfs shared storage) 

You can simply use `cloudinit: local`. AFAIK we already need shared 
storage for migration, and more importantly, using storage-backed qcow2 
images automagically adds snapshot support. Otherwise we need to 
separately implement some way of storing the image when making a 
snapshot (which becomes a pain when we add template support, since we 
need to include the template and cannot simply backup the configuration 
variables in the vmid.conf). 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 08:44:17AM +0200, Alexandre DERUMIER wrote: 
> Hi Wolfgang, 
> 
> I begin to test your patches, 
> seem to works fine here. 
> 
> I have some questions: 
> 
> 1)-does it work with windows ? (as we expose the config drive as drive and 
> not cdrom) 
> 
> 2)-as we put it as ide3, it could break some guest disk drive order, if we 
> don't use disk uuid in /etc/fstab 
> for example : 
> user have 2 virtio-scsi disk 
> /dev/sda 
> /dev/sdb 
> 
> with /etc/fstab 
> /dev/sda / 
> /dev/sdb /var 
> 
> now, with ide3, it's going to /dev/sda , as AFAIK, they are assigned by pci 
> slots order. 
> 
> Maybe create a sata controller on the lastest pcislot/bridge could avoid 
> that. (need to test qemu 2.4 sata migration) 
> 
> 3) do we really to define a special storage for hosting qcow2 ? maybe always 
> store it in local storage and rsync it on live migration. 
> (everybody don't have a nfs shared storage) 
> 
> 
> ----- Mail original ----- 
> De: "aderumier" <aderum...@odiso.com> 
> À: "Wolfgang Bumiller" <w.bumil...@proxmox.com> 
> Cc: "pve-devel" <pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com> 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 26 Juin 2015 14:17:38 
> Objet: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v5 0/3] RFC: cloud-init update 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> >>For the UI enabling and disabling cloudinit would then be 
> >>adding/removing a cloudinit device. It would then also not have to be 
> >>hardcoded to ide3 but be configurable to any block device like when 
> >>adding a hard disk. 
> 
> I'm not sure but I think than sata/ahci controller are now migratable in qemu 
> master (so for qemu 2.4) 
> 
> http://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=commit;h=04329029a8c539eb5f75dcb6d8b016f0c53a031a
>  
> 
> maybe we could add a dedicated sata controller for cloudinit drive ? 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Mail original ----- 
> De: "Wolfgang Bumiller" <w.bumil...@proxmox.com> 
> À: "pve-devel" <pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com> 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 26 Juin 2015 12:36:52 
> Objet: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v5 0/3] RFC: cloud-init update 
> 
> We just talked this over a bit again. 
> 
> If we keep going with this approach we could actually remove the 
> cloudinit config parameter and, similar to what Alexandre did in the 
> first patches, have an `ideX: cloudinit,storage=STOREID` parameter 
> enable cloudinit (but have it fix in the config rather than added after 
> doing `cloudinit: 1`). 
> For the UI enabling and disabling cloudinit would then be 
> adding/removing a cloudinit device. It would then also not have to be 
> hardcoded to ide3 but be configurable to any block device like when 
> adding a hard disk. 
> 
> We'd then still need a parameter for templates. (Either a new one like 
> `cloudinit-template: xyz` or if we plan on adding more cloud-init 
> parameters we could keep `cloudinit: variouts,comma=separated,args`. 
> 
> Another TODO before I forget about it again: physical cdrom drives 
> probably don't need `media=cdrom` in the code. should check that. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:06:31PM +0200, Wolfgang Bumiller wrote: 
> > Changes since [PATCH v4]: 
> > 
> > Instead of generating a separate ISO image file we now generate the 
> > ISO into a qcow2 device which is storage-managed. 
> > This does not only mean we don't need to rsync the file for 
> > live-migrations, but we can also use the live-snapshot feature out of 
> > the box. 
> > 
> > It also allowed me to remove the code to generate the commandline 
> > parameters by simply making foreach_drive include the cloud-init drive 
> > (if it exists). 
> > In order to do that I had to add a $vmid parameter to it. Since it 
> > already takes the VM's config as parameter this seemed like a sane 
> > thing to do. I grepped the rest of the repositories for code affected 
> > by this change. It seemed to be all isolated in qemu-server. 
> > 
> > Please test and comment. 
> > 
> > Alexandre Derumier (1): 
> > implement cloudinit v2 
> > 
> > Wolfgang Bumiller (2): 
> > cloud-init changes 
> > cloudinit: use qcow2 for future snapshot support 
> > 
> > PVE/API2/Qemu.pm | 16 +-- 
> > PVE/QemuMigrate.pm | 8 +- 
> > PVE/QemuServer.pm | 364 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---- 
> > PVE/VZDump/QemuServer.pm | 2 +- 
> > control.in | 2 +- 
> > 5 files changed, 353 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 2.1.4 
> > 
> > 
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