On 8/26/06, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But, MSN users can add Yahoo users without problem.  And PyMSNt is actually
> stable.

I can't get this to work :-( which version of PyMSNt is required, and
which yahoo client are you using?

> Well, I have 3GB of RAM installed and a couple gigs of swap, and I've actually
> run out of address space running PyYIMt before.

ouch, how many users are you supporting?  Any idea how many were using
the yahoo transport? (and which version)

> > Q: Should we start spreadxmpp.org ? spreadjabber.org ? (sounds like
> > something I should post on the xmpp.net list)
> Been there, done that.  http://www.imfederation.com/

'spread' sites need to be community driven.  I'm interested to see
what happens with the new xmpp.net drupal site.

On 8/26/06, Daniel Henninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How odd.  I rarely have problems with PyYIMt and PyIRCt.  The only
> problems I've run into is that they tend to go byebye on me if the
> server goes away.  (the other Pys keep trying to reconnect)

yea, this was a tricky decision.  Should the transport shutdown if it
can't contact the server?  and for which reasons: connection refused,
connection accepted, but protocol error (wrong port, etc), wrong
password (do some servers return this when restarting?)

Also the logic must be different at transport startup and during
reconnection.  At startup, the jabber server might be slower starting
than the transport, so the transport should wait for it - for how
long?  And during a reconnection - was there a good reason why we got
disconnected from the server? (Was it just restarting, or has it died,
what if it _then_ tells us we have the wrong password?)

Maybe the logic needs to be changed, to keep trying (on start up and
reconnect), unless the server tells us - wrong password, conflict, or
protocol error:(bad-format, bad-namespace-prefix, invalid-xml,
restricted-xml, unsupported-encoding, xml-not-well-formed). (rfc3920,
section 4.7.3 is pretty comprehensive)?

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- Norman Rasmussen
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On Saturday 26 August 2006 15:03, Norman Rasmussen wrote:
> On 8/26/06, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But, MSN users can add Yahoo users without problem.  And PyMSNt is
> > actually stable.
>
> I can't get this to work :-( which version of PyMSNt is required, and
> which yahoo client are you using?

Whichever version is on ursine.ca right now and no Yahoo client.

> ouch, how many users are you supporting?  Any idea how many were using
> the yahoo transport? (and which version)

50 or 60, and whichever is installed on ursine.ca.

> > > Q: Should we start spreadxmpp.org ? spreadjabber.org ? (sounds like
> > > something I should post on the xmpp.net list)
> >
> > Been there, done that.  http://www.imfederation.com/
>
> 'spread' sites need to be community driven.  I'm interested to see
> what happens with the new xmpp.net drupal site.

It is, though...


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On 8/27/06, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Norman Rasmussen tried to tell me:
> >> > Q: Should we start spreadxmpp.org ? spreadjabber.org ? (sounds like
> >> > something I should post on the xmpp.net list)
> >> Been there, done that.  http://www.imfederation.com/
> > 'spread' sites need to be community driven.  I'm interested to see
> > what happens with the new xmpp.net drupal site.
> No, this should be on jabber.org, but this discussion is already on a
> other list.

I'm loathed to put a 'community drive' site on jabber.org for the same
reason that getfirefox.com is not spreadfirefox.com (or gnome.org is
not spreadgnome.org).

On 8/27/06, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 26 August 2006 15:03, Norman Rasmussen wrote:
> > On 8/26/06, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But, MSN users can add Yahoo users without problem.  And PyMSNt is
> > > actually stable.
> >
> > I can't get this to work :-( which version of PyMSNt is required, and
> > which yahoo client are you using?
>
> Whichever version is on ursine.ca right now and no Yahoo client.

PyMSNt is 0.11.1 on ursine.ca.  Which Yahoo client is the _other_ end using?

> > ouch, how many users are you supporting?  Any idea how many were using
> > the yahoo transport? (and which version)
> 50 or 60, and whichever is installed on ursine.ca.

No yahoo transport there atm.  Feel free to use the one on my server
(darkskies.za.net).

> > > > Q: Should we start spreadxmpp.org ? spreadjabber.org ? (sounds like
> > > > something I should post on the xmpp.net list)
> > > Been there, done that.  http://www.imfederation.com/
> > 'spread' sites need to be community driven.  I'm interested to see
> > what happens with the new xmpp.net drupal site.
> It is, though...

No one can (on jabber.org nor xmpp.net (yet) nor imfederation.com):
 - sign up for an account (spreadgnome misses this one)
 - post a blog article
 - have it appear on the front page if the mods/admins think it's worth it
 - bunch of forums where users can talk crap about stuff

so it's not a community driven spread-product site.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stian B. Barmen)
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> > > > > Q: Should we start spreadxmpp.org ? spreadjabber.org ? (sounds like
> > > > > something I should post on the xmpp.net list)
> > > > Been there, done that.  http://www.imfederation.com/
> > > 'spread' sites need to be community driven.  I'm interested to see
> > > what happens with the new xmpp.net drupal site.
> > It is, though...
> 
> No one can (on jabber.org nor xmpp.net (yet) nor imfederation.com):
>  - sign up for an account (spreadgnome misses this one)
>  - post a blog article
>  - have it appear on the front page if the mods/admins think it's worth it
>  - bunch of forums where users can talk crap about stuff
> 
> so it's not a community driven spread-product site.
> 
IM Federation needs to at least put jabber.no on the list. I have tried
three times (or was it more?) to register but they do not add me. In my
book it seems dead and that more or less kills it in my book. Such a
site needs to be alive to do its work, at least add servers that provide
just the service they ask for...

-stian

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