On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Paul Boddie <p...@boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sunday 1. June 2014 19.55.44 anatoly techtonik wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote: > > > On May 31, 2014, at 10:49 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > >I've added a new user group called NewUsersGroup, which does > > > >get editing rights, but we'll have to manage this manually and > > > >new users who want to receive editing rights will have to write > > > >to this mailing list to be added to the group. > > > > > > TBH, we've been doing this on the Mailman wiki for years now. Of > course, > > > we > > > don't have as high a contributor rate as the Python wiki, and I wish I > > > didn't > > > have to take that step, but it *has* reduced the spam rate to nearly > > > zero. I'm sure there's been a cost in drive-by contributions, but we do > > > get occasional requests for write permissions and it's trivial to add > > > folks to the > > > "editors" group. > > > > Do you have stats about decline in contributions thank to this measure? > > You can get the stats about a decline in "contributions" by just looking at > how many spam edits were taking place during any given period and how many > there will be for a corresponding period in future. But for serious > contributions, of course there are no statistics: the measure has been in > place for a matter of hours. You need to count non-reverted edits before and after the certain date. That's all. And am curious about Mailman - it is clear that for w.p.o there is no stats yet. I'm not entirely sure what measures Confluence had for spam prevention > before > the Mailman Wiki made a similar move, but I would imagine that there > weren't > very many given the amount of spam I saw in the site content for that wiki. > Didn't know Mailman chose proprietary software for the wiki. > From what I can see, this didn't stop committed contributors from improving > that site. Being alone contributor is not fun either. > Is the competence debt in MoinMoin is so big nowadays that there is no > > Moderation Queue plugin for new users? > > There are people working on MoinMoin, so I suggest you ask in their IRC > channel: #moin on Freenode, if I'm not mistaken. Alternatively, you could > look > on the Moin site for extensions and find at least two for moderation, one > of > which I wrote a while back and is actually in use on a site for a project > that > I believe you have dealt with in the past (and maybe still have some > dealings > with). It's entirely possible that you have no idea they're using my > extension > for moderation at all and yet have edited that site. > I found only one - http://moinmo.in/ActionMarket/ApproveChanges - it looks good except that Moderation Queue will be more useful if it is global and visible by anyone. More people will be aware of it and it could be crowdsourced. > But here's the disagreement: some people think that the barrier to editing > public Internet sites should be low and yet magically repel defacement; > others > think that getting serious contributors to demonstrate their commitment to > making quality edits isn't that hard and that they actually won't mind > doing > so (because they are, after all, committed). > > Experience shows that magically repelling defacement of Internet sites, > whilst > somewhat possible with some interesting measures that could be implemented > for > Moin, is a bit like announcing a generously catered party for one's closest > friends in the most public and open way possible, not assigning some rather > "persuasive" people to the venue entrance, and then somehow avoiding random > vandals and hooligans from inviting themselves in and trashing the place. > The cost of defacement should be higher than a cost of revert. If defacement edits are not indexed, there is no motivation to write bots for it. > Meanwhile, some of us have better things to do with our time than to "muck > out" public Internet resources so that lazy people and vandals can use > them at > their own convenience. I still think that the problem with wasted time is a software problem. -- anatoly t.
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