Thanks for the response (and to Christian RR), I'm getting the feeling that almost no one seems to think this is a workable idea, the main thing I was interested in guaging was which direction to take my exsisting editor project in... if it looked like people would push to see PyGTK in the standard libraries I would go in an IDLE influenced direction, if not I have a bit more freedom (I don't see the point in porting IDLE if your not aiming for the standard distibution, although I am likely to "borrow" a few bits!)
The "Fat Python" project looks interesting I'll try and keep up with it. Matt On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 16:09, Michael McLay wrote: > On Friday 18 June 2004 8:59 am, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Matt> There have been several discussions on the list in the last few > > Matt> months about trying to get PyGTK into the standard library, ... > > I would like to see PyGtk become part of the core Python distribution, > however, this is an unrealistic goal in the short term. There is no way that > PyGtk will be added to the next Python release. The alpha is going to be out > in about a month and PyGtk would be much to big of an addition at this late > date. It isn't clear that PyGtk is the "best" choice for replacing Tkinter. > Unless PyGtk takes a substantial lead over PyQt and wxPython it is unlikely > that Guido will approve the selection of one GUI toolkit over the others. > Also, the core developers would not want such a big addition to the code that > must be maintained in the official release. They will argue that PyGtk should > evolve separately. > > There is a second approach that is realistic and probably also more workable. > At PyCon we had a "Fat Python" BoF session. The goal was to build a super > distribution of Python that would include many Python based pieces of > software. I'd like to see PyGtk become a foundation piece for this > distribution. The distribution will most likely also include wxPython and > PyQt, but we should try to make PyGtk the preferred GUI platform for the > future of Python. (A few months ago I saw a reference to a hack that allowed > Qt and Gtk mainloops to be run in the same process. If it can be done, then I > would expect Python to be the language with the best chance of making it > possible to build apps that used widgets from both toolkits.) > > Discussion of the Fat Python distribution is on the python-grants mailing list > at: > > http://starship.python.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/python-grants > > There are a also a couple wiki pages on python.org that are being used to > organize the Fat Python distribution: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EducationalCd > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EducationalCdLinux > > > > Matt> there where however a few buts... > > > > Matt> 1. Documentation - > > As a separate distribution from the core language the documentation shouldn't > be a problem. We distribute the PyGtk FAQ, API and Tutorials as part of the > Fat Python distribution. It doesn't need to be integrated into the core > Python manual. > > > Matt> 2. Windows - > > The Fat Python distribution is KNOPPIX based release. We will be picking > software that generally also is available on Windows, but for the first > release the Fat Python will use Linux as the target platform. There are other > distributions of Python that is targeting Windows. > > > Matt> 3.Idle - > > One of the other posts to this thread included someone volunteering to > re-target Idle to PyGtk. I think this is a grand idea. I hope others will > join this effort. > > > 4. Mac OSX - Is GTK available on Mac OSX without X11? Tkinter does have > > the advantage that TkAqua is available for non-X environments. > > For now the Gtk 2.0 release is only available on the Mac using the X11 API. > This is included with the latest OSX distribution, so it isn't a > show-stopper. I talked with Tamer Fahmy at PyCon about getting Gtk 2.0 ported > to Aqua. He was considering this as a summer project. I haven't talked with > him since the conference to see if anything has happened on this task. > > _______________________________________________ pygtk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.daa.com.au/mailman/listinfo/pygtk Read the PyGTK FAQ: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/
