that seems odd, do you have that same issue even if you use pip ?   namespace 
packages are supported without setuptools as it falls back onto 
pkgutil.extend_path.

also --no-site-packages is the default now and not using it is a little crazy...


On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Mike Orr wrote:

> I don't know much about namespace packages, but I'd avoid them as they
> lead to occasional problems on some systems. For instance, I can't
> install Pyramid without --no-site-packages on some versions of Ubuntu,
> because the "zope." namespace is split between the system
> site-packages and the virtualenv's, and Python apparently can't handle
> this. Py2exe is not Setuptools aware yet, so it may not be compatible
> with namespace packages. (So far I haven't had a problem with Pylons
> and Py2exe -- including SQLAlchemy -- as long as all imports are
> listed explicitly rather than using Routes "autoload", but it may be
> when I switch an application to Pyramid.)
> 
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> 
> wrote:
>> it seems like my entire concept of having "root" and "root.subpackage", the 
>> way "sqlalchemy" and "sqlalchemy.orm" do, is just entirely wrong from a 
>> "namespace package" point of view.  While I think what I'm doing does 
>> actually work, this is not what anyone had in mind with "namespace packages".
>> 
>> I'm tempted to just merge these two things together.   But I think I'll just 
>> move "dogpile" into "dogpile.core" and just get in line with everyone else.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Michael Bayer wrote:
>> 
>>> I think I released the dogpile.cache stuff incorrectly, actually installing 
>>> the packages it seems like I got the namespace package stuff wrong.    I 
>>> have the "pkg_resources.declare_namespace" directive in the 
>>> dogpile/__init__.py of dogpile.cache but not of dogpile, and it appears 
>>> that this needs to be exactly the opposite.
>>> 
>>> Can someone help me set up dogpile and dogpile.cache correctly?  Here's a 
>>> paste of what *seems* to work:
>>> 
>>> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/581532/
>>> 
>>> the questions I have are:
>>> 
>>> 1. Is it OK if I have "__version__" and a few other things in 
>>> dogpile/__init__.py of the root project ?  this seems to work, as "dogpile" 
>>> is always imported first, but the docs at 
>>> http://packages.python.org/distribute/setuptools.html#namespace-packages 
>>> might suggest otherwise:
>>> 
>>> "You must NOT include any other code and data in a namespace package’s 
>>> __init__.py. Even though it may appear to work during development, or when 
>>> projects are installed as .egg files, it will not work when the projects 
>>> are installed using “system” packaging tools – in such cases the 
>>> __init__.py files will not be installed, let alone executed."
>>> 
>>> 2. since "dogpile" is always imported first it seems like I don't need 
>>> anything in the dogpile/__init__.py of that of dogpile.cache ?
>>> 
>>> 3. or is "dogpile" not always imported first in this scenario ?    how 
>>> would I see that ?
>>> 
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