I'm pretty sure freetalklive.com auctions banners on ebay.  That may
be the best way to determine pricing for the ads.  Preventing
proprietary firms from bidding? - I have no idea.  It will be
interesting to see what kind of demand there is, and from who.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Arc Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok the subject is undoubtedly going to solicit some hostility, but hear me out
>
>  First, pysoy.org (mostly svn.pysoy.org) requires an ever-increasing
>  level of hosting; last month over 54gigs transfer was needed and at
>  current pace by the end of 2008 that'll triple.  Much of this comes in
>  unpredictable spikes in a very short period of time when we get dugg
>  or linked to from a prominent blog.
>
>  I've been paying out of pocket for hosting over the last two years,
>  from a slice of my home net connection to recently moving the site to
>  a serverbeach server costing $80/mo, partly to handle these traffic
>  spikes.  This server is only used for pysoy.org and related sites (ie,
>  copyleftgames).
>
>  Second, about 15% of our new visitors are arriving through Google ads
>  which is costing on average $18/month to run.  Much of this goes to
>  other free software projects, such as Ogre3D, and to sites we owe some
>  loyalty to such as gamedev.net, so I don't mind the cost, but it's
>  something to consider.
>
>  Now the reason we haven't been running Google ads on pysoy.org is we
>  have no control over which ads appear - it would seem very wrong to
>  have links to proprietary mmorpgs appear on our site.  Head over to
>  ogre3d.org to see the kind of stuff a similar website gets - including
>  spyware and "get your free iPod" ads.
>
>  I recently found Project Wonderful - http://www.projectwonderful.com/
>  - it's used primarily to advertise web comics but also for more
>  generic things like domain registration.  The short list of
>  differences between it and Google ads:
>
>  we can filter every ad, thus filtering out proprietary software and
>  other unsavoury ads from our site before it appears
>  ads that are mistakenly approved can be rejected after on the site
>  most of the ads we'll get are likely going to be web comics
>
>  advertising is done via a bid system and is primarily based on site
>  visitors (impressions), not ad clicks
>  based on our level of traffic, an ad space could reasonably earn
>  $10-$20/month over the next few months That may not seem like much,
>  but it's something and it'll scale as our traffic grows.  I'd rather
>  not use advertising at all, but to be completely on the level, hosting
>  is starting to exceed what I can afford out-of-pocket.
>
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