Bugs item #1080864, was opened at 2004-12-07 21:23
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Category: Python Library
Group: Python 2.3
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: stas Z (childsplay)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: locale.py doesn't recognize valid locale setting
Initial Comment:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
LANG=nb_NO
[...]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ python
Python 2.3.4 (#2, Sep 24 2004, 08:39:09)
[GCC 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-12)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for
more information.
>>> import locale
>>> locale.getdefaultlocale()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 346, in
getdefaultlocale
return _parse_localename(localename)
File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 280, in
_parse_localename
raise ValueError, 'unknown locale: %s' % localename
ValueError: unknown locale: nb_NO
>>>
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>Comment By: M.-A. Lemburg (lemburg)
Date: 2004-12-09 10:42
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Martin:
"default" as opposed to whatever locale setting is currently
active for the program, i.e. the locale setting the program
would see after a single call to setlocale(LC_ALL, "") right
after the start of the program.
getdefaultlocale() mimics the lookup mechanism of
setlocale(LC_ALL, "").
The fact that the alias table may sometimes not give the
correct encoding is not a fault of Python or the table - if
the user wants to see a different encoding used as default
encoding for the set locale, then the user should include
that information in the LANG (or other) OS environment
variable of the process running the Python program.
Note that this is different than the "preferred" encoding
which a user can set in a window manager (KDE or Gnome) or
browser. Those settings are restricted to certain
application spaces. getdefaultencoding() is targetted at the
OS level setting which may be different from e.g. a KDE
setting (think a program running in a shell vs. a KDE
application run by a user).
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Comment By: stas Z (childsplay)
Date: 2004-12-09 10:27
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I agree that "default" would probably be called "preferred".
@loewis:
a)
I agree with your point of view but I as a developer I just
want to get the current locale in use and locale.py serves
that purpose in a platform independant way. The
"never-ending maintenance problem" is the result of the
locale horror we all have to live with until there's a final
solution/standard for it.
b)
Agree, I now understand your "getdefaultlocale ..
inherently broken" comment. But we still have a locale
module that supports some of the valid locales but not all,
which is (IMO) worse then having none at all.
BTW: getting the current locale to get a platform
independant language setting, should perhaps be part of
gettext.py instead of locale.py?
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Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
Date: 2004-12-08 22:28
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MAL: that doesn't answer my question, though: In what sense
does getdefaultlocale get a "default" locale? default as
opposed to what custom setting?
childsplay: the problem with adding additional aliases is
a) we can never hope to get a complete list of locales, so
this is a never-ending maintenance problem, and
b) the dictionary might be wrong on some systems. E.g.
sometimes, 'nb' might denote an ISO-8859-15 locale, or a
UTF-8 locale (e.g. when UTF-8 becomes the standard encoding
on Unix some day). If so, Python will silently compute an
incorrect default - in particular wrt. the encoding of the
"default" locale.
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Comment By: stas Z (childsplay)
Date: 2004-12-08 16:09
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This is what I've put into /python2.3/locale.py:
locale_alias = {....
.......
'bokmål': 'nb_NO.ISO8859-1',
'nb': 'nb_NO.ISO8859-1',
'nb_no': 'nb_NO.ISO8859-1',
'nynorsk': 'nn_NO.ISO8859-1',
'nn': 'nn_NO.ISO8859-1',
'nn_no': 'nn_NO.ISO8859-1',
....
....
}
I have tested it on a number of apps and it fixes the problem.
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Comment By: M.-A. Lemburg (lemburg)
Date: 2004-12-08 14:06
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Please provide some authorative source which describes the
locale your are using (nb_NO) and the commonly used encoding
for that locale (see the existing dictionary in locale.py).
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Comment By: stas Z (childsplay)
Date: 2004-12-08 13:29
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The reason I use getdefaultlocale(), is to get a platform
independant way of getting the systems locale setting.
The biggest advantage is that on Windows a "Linux like"
locale is returnt so that I can use the same language
support stuff on all
platforms. (Win,Linux,OSX).
Besides, what's the problem of adding the missing locale?
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Comment By: M.-A. Lemburg (lemburg)
Date: 2004-12-08 10:05
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The LANG (and other similar OS environment variables) define
what the user wishes to see being used as locale in the
applications that are started in that environment. See the
setlocale man page for details.
On some OSes such as Windows these settings are stored
differently, which is why the locale module has provisions
for finding these settings (thanks to Fredrik).
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Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
Date: 2004-12-08 08:04
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There is no "default locale setting" in most operating
systems. In what sense is the value of the LANG environment
variable a "default"?
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Comment By: M.-A. Lemburg (lemburg)
Date: 2004-12-08 00:08
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Of course, I don't agree with you, Martin :-)
locale.getdefaultlocale() does server a purpose, namely that
of getting the default locale setting. The encoding
information is an often used extension when setting the
locale in the OS environment. If not set, the module
provides common defaults.
The locale "nb_NO" is not known to the module alias table.
Which locale, language and encoding would that be ?
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Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
Date: 2004-12-07 23:13
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To get the default encoding for the current locale, you
should use locale.getpreferredencoding(). You should not use
getdefaultlocale becaus it is (IMO) inherently broken, and
should not have been part of the standard library in the
first place.
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Comment By: Jarek Zgoda (zgoda)
Date: 2004-12-07 22:39
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getdefaultlocale() is often used to get default encoding for
current system locale.
And, if function is provided in standard library, why
shouldn't one use it?
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Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
Date: 2004-12-07 21:25
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Why do you want to use getdefaultlocale()?
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