Jason R. Coombs added the comment: Maybe I should have focused on a more trivial example to demonstrate the place where my expectation was violated. The use of a real-world example is distracting from my intended point. Consider instead this abstract example:
class SomeClass(SomeParentClass): def __new__(cls, *args, **kwargs): return super(SomeClass, cls).__new__(cls, *args, **kwargs) def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs): super(SomeClass, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Ignoring for a moment the incongruity of the invocation of __new__ with 'cls' due to __new__ being a staticmethod, the naive programmer expects the above SomeClass to work exactly like SomeParentClass because both overrides are implemented as a trivial pass-through. And indeed that technique will work just fine if the parent class implements both __init__ and __new__, but if the parent class (or one of its parents) does not implement either of those methods, the technique will fail, because the fall through to 'object' class. I believe this incongruity stems from the fact that __new__ and __init__ are special-cased not to be called if they aren't implemented on the class. Therefore, to write SomeClass without knowledge of the SomeParentClass implementation, one could write this instead: class SomeClass(SomeParentClass): def __new__(cls, *args, **kwargs): super_new = super(SomeClass, cls).__new__ if super_new is object.__new__: return super_new(cls) return super_new(cls, *args, **kwargs) def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs): super_init = super(SomeClass, self).__init__ if super_init.__objclass__ is object: return super_init(*args, **kwargs) Now that implementation is somewhat ugly and perhaps a bit brittle (particularly around use of __objclass__). Ignoring that for now, it does have the property that regardless of the class from which it derives, it will work, including: SomeParentClass = datetime.datetime # implements only __new__ SomeParentClass = zipfile.ZipFile # implements only __init__ class SomeParentClass: pass # implements neither __init__ nor __new__ While I would prefer a language construct that didn't require this dance for special casing (or similarly require the programmer to hard-code the dance to a specific implementation of a specific parent class as Guido recommends), at the very least I would suggest that the documentation better reflect this somewhat surprising behavior. Currently, the documentation states [https://docs.python.org/2/reference/datamodel.html#object.__new__] effectively "Typical implementations of __new__ invoke the superclass’ __new__() method with appropriate arguments." It's left as an exercise to the reader to ascertain what 'appropriate arguments' are, and doesn't communicate that the introduction or omission of __new__ or __init__ to a class hierarchy affects the process by which a class is constructed/initialized. Greg Smith's blog demonstrates some even more dangerous cases. I don't understand why his concerns weren't addressed, because they seem legitimate, and I agree with his conclusion that the older behavior is more desirable, despite the concerns raised by the OP. ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue1683368> _______________________________________ _______________________________________________ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com