I concur that it is time to make a decision and move one.  I will support 
whatever we decide.

I want to apologize for not being clear in my earlier reply.  FTR, a few 
clarifications:

On Nov 29, 2013, at 20:25 , Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 30 November 2013 08:41, Ned Deily <n...@acm.org> wrote:
>> It is a problem.  And choosing to not participate is a perfectly rational 
>> and legitimate response.  But it doesn't necessarily follow that banning 
>> someone is a better response.  Trying to encourage different behavior can 
>> help if someone wants to take on that generally thankless effort.  I applaud 
>> people like the other Ned who has lately been trying to do so there with 
>> some success.  But it's not for everyone.
> 
> Please, I spent *years* trying to help Anatoly. It didn't work, so
> it's time to switch to the harm minimisation option and at least get
> him out of everyone's hair.

I should have been clearer that I was not referring to Anatoly here but to the 
"Help Vampire" in python-list.  I am under no illusion that Anatoly's behavior 
is going to change substantially.  That was really a point I was trying to make 
earlier.  And I can see that some of what I wrote could be read as if I were 
trying to absolve him of responsibility for his actions and for the current 
negative situation.  I didn't intend to imply that. 

> We tried to get him to be a productive contributor, it's time to admit
> we failed, and stop him being a drag on everyone else.


Agreed.

--Ned

--
  Ned Deily
  n...@acm.org -- []


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