Le 16/07/2018 à 20:05, Tim Peters a écrit : > [Tim] > > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been > > in those at times. The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major > PEPs is > > just a small part of that. Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty > common > > to see a "Save your breath. That's not going to happen." from > Guido to > > end a distracting alternative (sub)proposal persistently promoted > by one > > (or a few) very active and/or loquacious posters. > > [Antoine] > > I think that only happens on python-ideas. We've long had a problem > with that mailing-list (but at least it allows to avoid such discussions > on python-dev). > > I'm unclear on whether you view that as opposing or confirming my point > ;-) I view it as confirming: yes, the BDFL has played this role mostly > on python-ideas, where the dirty work of developing general PEPs is > intended to take place, while they're still at best half-baked. If > someone only follows python-dev, they're unaware of most of these BDFL > pronouncements. > > The latter may think "oh, big deal - a PEP is posted to python-dev, and > then Guido has weeks to make up his mind about whether to accept or > reject it". They're only seeing the end of a sometimes very messy > process. Most things on python-ideas never make it to python-dev at all. > > PEP 572 was (IMO, and Guido's, and a whole bunch of others) posted to > python-dev prematurely, so anyone who doesn't follow python-ideas should > know that the firestorm on python-dev was just a hint of what > python-ideas can be like routinely ;-)
I know what python-ideas can be like routinely (I do read it at times). I think the general idea of my comment is that the signal-to-noise ratio on python-ideas is so low that, whether or not Guido had remained BDFL, we would still have a productivity problem to solve there. Regards Antoine. _______________________________________________ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/