I hate cabals. I prefer to keep everything open and transparent, as
this mailing list is public (even if only core developers are allowed
to post).

Which drawback do you see of making the votes public?

Victor

2018-07-19 0:26 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou <anto...@python.org>:
>
> By the way, should the vote be public or secret?
> For such an important (and sensitive) matter, perhaps it would be wise
> for it to be secret.
>
> Regards
>
> Antoine.
>
>
> Le 19/07/2018 à 00:18, Łukasz Langa a écrit :
>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I am totally fine with a super-majority of votes for something to be 
>>> accepted, I don't think the minimum participation requirement will work. If 
>>> people simply choose not to vote then they choose not to (we have no way to 
>>> really compel people to vote).
>>
>> It could be easily added to the list of things expected from a core 
>> contributor. It's not like this is a laborious chore, neither is it 
>> happening often. There are countries where voting is mandatory.
>>
>> Taking a step back, there are two reasons I stress the importance of 
>> (almost) everybody voicing their support:
>> - this makes the decision authoritative ("the committers have spoken");
>> - this ensures that we haven't omitted somebody due to poor timing ("I was 
>> on a sabbatical and couldn't vote").
>>
>> If you feel like this is unrealistic because most of our committers aren't 
>> currently active, I hear you. But what I like even less is claiming that 
>> "we, the core team" made a decision when, say, just 35% of us voted. In such 
>> case it would be easier for those of us who disagree to claim the decision 
>> doesn't really represent the views of the greater core team.
>>
>> - Ł
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