On Fri, 31 May 2019 11:58:22 -0700
Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:39 AM Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote:
> >
> > On May 31, 2019, at 01:22, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote:
> >  
> > > I second this.
> > >
> > > There are currently ~7000 bugs open on bugs.python.org.  The Web UI
> > > makes a good job of actually being able to navigate through these bugs,
> > > search through them, etc.
> > >
> > > Did the Steering Council conduct a usability study of Github Issues
> > > with those ~7000 bugs open?  If not, then I think the acceptance of
> > > migrating to Github is a rushed job.  Please reconsider.  
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback Antoine.
> >
> > This is a tricky issue, with many factors and tradeoffs to consider.  I 
> > really appreciate Ezio and Berker working on PEP 595, so we can put all 
> > these issues on the table.
> >
> > I think one of the most important tradeoffs is balancing the needs of 
> > existing developers (those who actively triage bugs today), and future 
> > contributors.  But this and other UX issues are difficult to compare on our 
> > actual data right now.  I fully expect that just as with the switch to git, 
> > we’ll do lots of sample imports and prototyping to ensure that GitHub 
> > issues will actually work for us (given our unique requirements), and to 
> > help achieve the proper balance.  It does us no good to switch if we just 
> > anger all the existing devs.
> >
> > IMHO, if the switch to GH doesn’t improve our workflow, then it definitely 
> > warrants a reevaluation.  I think things will be better, but let’s prove 
> > it.  
> 
> Perhaps we should put an explicit step on the transition plan, after
> the prototyping, that's "gather feedback from prototypes, re-evaluate,
> make final go/no-go decision"? I assume we'll want to do that anyway,
> and having it formally written down might reassure people. It might
> also encourage more people to actually try out the prototypes if we
> make it very clear that they're going to be asked for feedback.

Indeed, regardless of the exact implementation details, I think "try
first, decide after" is the right procedure here.

Regards

Antoine.
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